Played a build last night that included Han, Falcon, Predator, Luke and Recon Specialist.

Its the first time I have used such a ship and it seemed that particular build had too many rerolls, modifications etc.

So to see if I played it correct I would like to put a little scenario here to see how it plays.

Action = Target Lock

Attack = Firing at Range 2

You roll 1 hit and 1 blank and 1 focus.

Can you tell me your next steps please guys?

Thanks in Advance for this.

Can you tell me your next steps please guys?

I'm assuming you mean Luke (crew).

With Han, you'd have the option of using the TL to reroll the blank and focus, or using Han's ability to reroll all 3. But those would be the only rerolls you could make, since you can only reroll a given die once.

Han requires that you reroll all dice you can, the TL lets you pick which ones you reroll.

If after rerolling the dice you still miss your attack, you can use Luke to make a 2nd attack. This is a separate attack so you can use any rerolling tools you want on that attack as well. So if you still have the TL you can use that, or you can use Han's ability again.

You can only re-roll a die once ever, so Target-Lock and Predator on han is a bit much.

Missed Predator... But like you said that's rather pointless on Han, or with a TL.

To emphasize one particular point from VanorDM's response, Luke allows you to make a new and completely separate attack. (I mention it only because it's a fairly common mistake to treat it as a kind of reroll.)

Ok...

So

Provided I miss with 1 dice I can use Luke to get another attack? (All 3 dice?)

That sounds even more cheesy lol

Ok...

So

Provided I miss with 1 dice I can use Luke to get another attack? (All 3 dice?)

That sounds even more cheesy lol

No, "hit" has a specific definition. If there's at least one uncanceled [hit] or [crit] symbol remaining (typically this means the attack would do at least one damage to the defender), then the attack hits.

Luke and Gunner aren't based on the results of any particular die, but on whether the attack hits as described above.

Provided I miss with 1 dice I can use Luke to get another attack? (All 3 dice?)

Not quite But that is a common mistake.

A hit by the rules means that when you are in the compare results step of the attack, if you have any remaining <hit> or <crit> results, you have hit your target.

If on the other hand you have no remaining <hit> or <crit> results, because you rolled all blanks, or the defender rolled enough <evades> to cancel your <hit> and <crit> results, then you miss. Then you can use Luke or Gunner to fire that second attack.

Right let me get this firmly printed in my brain.

1. Roll 3 Dice, 2 Hits and 1 blank. Defender takes 1 hit and evades 1. In that case I do not get to use Luke. Is that correct?

Right let me get this firmly printed in my brain.

1. Roll 3 Dice, 2 Hits and 1 blank. Defender takes 1 hit and evades 1. In that case I do not get to use Luke. Is that correct?

Correct.

Thanks

So Luke is pretty much a 3 blank cushion

Right let me get this firmly printed in my brain.

1. Roll 3 Dice, 2 Hits and 1 blank. Defender takes 1 hit and evades 1. In that case I do not get to use Luke. Is that correct?

Correct.

No. You misread his scnario.

Assuming Han started his attack with a Target Lock and he has the Predator EPT and Luke/Gunner crew, It would go...

1) Han rolls to attack, (hit hit blank)

2) You can choose at this point to trigger Han's card text, and reroll all three attack dice. You choose not to, letting (hit hit blank) stand.

3) Defender rolls (evade blank)

4) Final uncancelled Attack dice is (hit), the Attack overall hits, Gunner/Luke does not trigger.

If however it played out like this...

1) Han rolls to attack, (blank blank blank)

2) You can choose at this point to trigger Han's card text, and reroll all three attack dice. Or you can spend a Target Lock if you have it, and reroll as many as you like. Or you can use Predator to reroll 1(or 2 if the target is PS2 or less). Or if you decided to be weird, use Predator to reroll 1, and spend the Target Lock to reroll the other two separately. Point being though you can't use more than one of these abilities on the same die within the same attack.

In this case, you choose to trigger Han's text, and reroll all 3, resulting in (hit hit blank)

3) Defender roles (evade evade)

4) There are no uncancelled hits or crits, so the Attack misses. Gunner/Luke triggers

5) Han rolls for a brand new attack, and gets (hit blank blank)

6) You can now trigger han's text, spend a target lock, or user predator, even though we already used a reroll ability in the previous attack, because this is a brand new attack with brand new, un-rerolled dice.

This time you spend the target lock to reroll the two blanks, resulting in a combined (hit eye blank)

7) If you have Luke crew, you can now further change that (eye) to a (crit), as changing is not a reroll.

8) The defender rolls whatever and the attack finishes. Even if the defender fully evades again you're done, Gunner/Luke only allows the one extra Attack, and can't stack.

Thanks

So Luke is pretty much a 3 blank cushion

or a 3 evade cushion. If you only fight low agility targets, this upgrade will likely be of low value. However, start shooting high agility/token laden targets, and the second attack ability becomes much better (think interceptors and phantoms at range 3, Fel with two focuses and an evade, etc.)

I see two possible, yet different, issues here.

1. You only get to reroll a die once for any given attack.

When you have HAN, Predator, and TL on the target that is giving you THREE potential methods of gaining a reroll but you could only apply one to any given die. When you roll your attack you could spend the TL to reroll one die, use Predator to reroll a different die, and then use Han's ability to reroll all dice that haven't previously been rerolls; if instead you had just started with Han and rerolled everything then Predator and TL would be unable to alter anything.

2. Luke/Gunner get to trigger when the attack "misses" the target.

Here you need realize what a "miss" actually is. I guess we should say a "miss" is the opposite of a "hit" and unless stated otherwise (Blount's ability) a "hit" is an attack that has [hit] and [crit] results that have not been cancelled by your opponent's [evade] results or Evade tokens.

You could roll [crit], [crit], [crit] on your attack but when your opponent rolls [evade], [evade], and spends an Evade token all of your [crit] results are CANCELLED so the attack fails to hit and thus counts as a miss. This will trigger Gunner/Luke who then make a brand new attack.

Having Gunner/Luke on a ship is a little like insurance to make sure that your attacks have the maximum possibility of doing some damage. Against an easy to hit ship they may never come into play but against a hard to hit ship they may see use every turn.

Separate but somewhat related question . . . does Luke's other ability to change one focus result to a hit take effect even if you don't trigger the second attack? Or does it ONLY happen if the second attack triggers?

Or does it ONLY happen if the second attack triggers?

Only for the 2nd attack.

Here's what I'd do.

1) Take focus actions for two focus tokens instead of a target lock when you have predator already.

2) Roll 3 attack dice

3) If you get all hits/crits leave as is

4) If you have 2 hits/crits reroll the other dice with predator

5) If you have less than 2 hits/crits, reroll all 3 with han's ability

6) If attack misses trigger luke as gunner and roll 3 attack dice

7) If you get all hits/crits OR 2 hits/crits and a focus leave as is (luke changes the focus to a hit)

8) If you have have 2 hits/crits and a blank OR 1 hit/crit a focus and a blank, reroll the blank with predator

9) If you have two or more blanks, reroll all 3 with han's ability

Hopefully that made sense.

A given die, after being rolled, can only be rerolled once. If you reroll all your dice with Target Lock you cannot reroll those dice again with Han or Predator. Once a dice has been rerolled it is locked, it cannot be rerolled again.

Luke Skywalker and Gunner only trigger if you miss. A miss is an attack that deals no damage. It's an insurance card.

That then starts a completely new attack. You don't reroll anything, you roll another attack and they roll new defence dice.

Separate but somewhat related question . . . does Luke's other ability to change one focus result to a hit take effect even if you don't trigger the second attack? Or does it ONLY happen if the second attack triggers?