Since the list consists of all durable ships, I would suggest another durable ship. If you add in or substitute a glass cannon, it's pretty pointless since it'll just get killed first anyway.

Tarn + R7 is perfect. Super-tanky with his ability + R7, especially in the end game. Try and fly / position him in such a way as to keep him alive until the end.

Tarn + R7 (25)

5x Prototype Pilot + Refit (75)

Bonus: you at least have 1 ship with 3 dice, so he at least will have an easier time dealing with 4 defense Phantoms.

In my experience, I've never known A-wings to be all that durable. If they can be shot (and of course, the trick is make sure they're not shot), they go down very quickly. I just don't see this list working as intended.

I'd be licking my lips, flying my swarms/mini-swarms, playing against this.

Waffles > Pancakes

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Roscoe's waffles > all other waffles

In my experience, I've never known A-wings to be all that durable. If they can be shot (and of course, the trick is make sure they're not shot), they go down very quickly. I just don't see this list working as intended.

I'd be licking my lips, flying my swarms/mini-swarms, playing against this.

Well, in your experience have you flown the new A-wings with the new upgrade cards?

Will you PLEASE stop being a jerk??? Of course he hasn't.

Will you PLEASE stop being a jerk??? Of course he hasn't.

Woah, what? I was asking a simple question. He could have picked up Rebel Aces at GenCon or flown them on Vassal.

Oh, yeah, sorry, i meant to post that 15 minutes from now when you had been an idiot and a jerk at the same time. My bad.

Waffles > Pancakes

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True.

Will you PLEASE stop being a jerk??? Of course he hasn't.

Don't feed the bridge dweller. He wants you to get upset at him, the best thing you can do is not give him the satisfaction. Instead, talk about breakfast with us.

Hash browns or home fries?

Will you PLEASE stop being a jerk??? Of course he hasn't.

Don't feed the bridge dweller. He wants you to get upset at him, the best thing you can do is not give him the satisfaction. Instead, talk about breakfast with us.

Hash browns or home fries?

Sorry. it's really hard for me not too get mad at Ribann. But as for the breakfast, hashbrowns. Maple sausage or sausage patties?

The A wing will live as long as a Y on average with far more variance... not a bad tradeoff for for the extra points.

Sorry. it's really hard for me not too get mad at Ribann. But as for the breakfast, hashbrowns. Maple sausage or sausage patties?

Tough one, but probably patties. Actually, I have a habit of drowning my plate in syrup when I go out for breakfast anyways. It was the only way to make army food palatable (especially the eggs), so it just kind of stuck.

Sorry. it's really hard for me not too get mad at Ribann. But as for the breakfast, hashbrowns. Maple sausage or sausage patties?

Tough one, but probably patties. Actually, I have a habit of drowning my plate in syrup when I go out for breakfast anyways. It was the only way to make army food palatable (especially the eggs), so it just kind of stuck.

You were in the Army? Anyway, i definitely prefer patties too. Biscuits or Bacon?

You were in the Army? Anyway, i definitely prefer patties too. Biscuits or Bacon?

Yup. I was actually a jumpmaster in the 82nd Airborne Division, believe it or not.

Hmm, another tough choice. Biscuits and gravy, or just biscuits? Bacon beats naked biscuits any day of the week.

Has anyone play-tested the new A-wings? I guess that would be a better question to start.

They are actually really good against Phantoms and TIE swarm.

Yes, I've played against them many times. In my opinion, they're too fragile and not punchy enough.

In support of beefier ships, a single A-wing might work. But I just don't believe a swarm of them has what it takes to win games.

So, despite the fact that I'm policed by everyone for derailing threads and making people mad, I change and am literally trying to discuss the new A-wings against Phantoms and TIE swarm.Now the very people that accuse me of derailing threads are being trolls and trying to derail the thread.If you have a problem with me, feel free to take it to PM.Otherwise, let's talk about the new A-wings.

Sorry, but your initial post is almost exactly like that "Z-95s suck!" thread that I got deleted, except with a positive unsubstantiated opinion instead of a negative one. You really haven't changed at all, but nice try.

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Otherwise, let's talk about the new A-wings.

I didn't realize this thread was about A-Wings. The title is asking about counters to Phantoms AND TIE Swarms. I'm not sure a different kind of swarm is really the proper "counter" to either although it could be a better swarm.

A-wing Test Pilot+Chardaan Refit

You're welcome.

Cheers!

You rebel scum!

I didn't realize this thread was about A-Wings. The title is asking about counters to Phantoms AND TIE Swarms. I'm not sure a different kind of swarm is really the proper "counter" to either although it could be a better swarm.

I merely suggested the new A-wings were a good counter. Obviously you're welcome to discuss other alternatives.

And I did suggest a possible alternative. Of course it was immediately buried under a load of BS type posts that it would have attracted little attention.

I merely suggested the new A-wings were a good counter. Obviously you're welcome to discuss other alternatives.

The best counter to a high agility ship, like the A-Wing, is more red dice, like the Phantom. The worst target for a low primary weapon value ship, like the A-Wing, is more green dice, like the Phantom. Assuming you were ever serious, your argument falls flat on its face with just a little common sense. I suppose the question is, do you play with A-Wings?

I think it has great build potential, looking forward to trying it when aces drop.

No, I was being rhetorical. I don't really care what you've played with, because your credibility is tainted beyond repair. If you win with a particular ship it's a good matchup, but if you lose the game is all about dice. I don't think so, buddy.

You have the turreted Gunner equipped ship to help deal with Phantoms, Ruthlessness will help keep those swarms from flying too tight so you shouldn't need to face them all at once. And Mara will help keep both of them under control if they get too close by giving them stress.

Nice! However, I can't help but imagine it would be quite a standoff if a swarm got to chew through your Decimator.

You're looking at around 55pts for a:

Oicunn+Title+Ruthlessness+Mara+Gunner

It won't go down without a fight though.

When I wrote it up I was looking at Admiral + Ruthless + Mara + Gunner + Merc Gunner (59) and running Echo + VI + ACD (35) as the other half of the pair. Guess I also had an Engine Upgrade on the Admiral although there are options with the six points left.

With this combo those TIE Fighters really should be scared because there is a good chance the Admiral would be one shotting them due to all the [crits] that should come up. Having the Engine Upgrade would give the Decimator a little more range control although other things may work better. If a swarm is sitting at range and this takes out Howlrunner quickly it probably should be able to handle a good number of TIE fighters before finally going down. If the swarm wants to play action denial that's just less TIEs that get to shoot at the Decimator.

There's nothing I have to say to you that can't be said in public. If you want to be taken seriously, act like it.

Dude, what the heck? I have been serious in this thread. You're the one who wasn't being serious talking about breakfast. I'm trying to keep this thread on topic but you keep policing me.

If you don't want to talk about new counters to TIE Swarm and Phantoms or the new A-wings, feel free not to post.

It's that simple.

Again, if you have a problem with me, feel free to take it to PM instead of harassing me in public.

Sorry, but your initial post is almost exactly like that "Z-95s suck!" thread that I got deleted, except with a positive unsubstantiated opinion instead of a negative one. You really haven't changed at all, but nice try.

I'm not going to repeat myself, but you're more than welcome to revisit the first page and a) re-read your initial post and b) see just how many people you're fooling. If you have a problem with me directing your troll threads towards meaningful (and ultimately more gratifying) conversation, feel free to report my posts instead of baiting me into letting you troll me in private... again.

You two really ought to get a room.

Sorry, i just dont see how phantoms are so bad and i've been playing rebels against them.

Played two games today and while echo was a PITA to lock down, once i'd got the right moves figured and piled on the fire we was blasted to pieces both games.

I was dreading facing a phantom after all the hype i'd seen but actually he wasnt that hard to counter (ion turret was a good 'deterrant' but never landed a hit) with X wings and Y wings. He was **** good fun to play against though

Perhaps my opponent wasnt really wringing the best out of him but I thought he played well.

It was a 'challenge' but no more than any other ship. All are pretty fairly costed and IMO soontir fell gave me a harder time in the second game.

The best counter to a high agility ship, like the A-Wing, is more red dice, like the Phantom.

More red dice won't help you much when the A-wings are arc-dodging (which is what I've been saying this whole time).

Except you didn't say that even once, a common trend I've noticed in this thread when you claim to have been talking about something in particular. Your argument the whole time so far has ended at simply 'A-Wings counter Phantoms'. Also, low PS A-Wings are going to have a very hard time arc-dodging Phantoms who are even more agile and move after them.