Because so much of the EU is garbage. There are good parts, and even good parts that belong in X-Wing, but there is also a lot of milking of the cash cow. For example, the Z-95 was a very good choice, it's a ship that has existed since 1978 and has continued to appear in a wide range of EU sources. But contrast that with some random TIE variant that appeared in one video game and was immediately forgotten. I don't want to see FFG start getting into those obscure EU ships that hardly anyone knows about because they're just not very interesting.

In your opinion. The OP is right in that people are entitled to dislike the EU etc., but there is a problem lately with people acting like because they don't like EU that its inclusion is ruining the game in general. This is not a fact, it is an opinion. It improves the game for some, and dilutes it for others. But the OP is right in saying people need to stop being so insistent on it as if their distaste of the EU makes it automatically unwelcome in X-Wing. Some people not liking EU doesn't make it's ships less important to the game, just like some people liking it doesn't make them more important.

I don't mind EU ships, although I do find a few kinda ugly. The new scum fighter is particularly ugly I think, and some of the other bounty hunter ships that might get included now aren't that great either IMO.

What really grinds my gears is FFG's position on ships in the game. They are so contradicting. They have no problems including ships that are older than heck (z-95s, ywings, firesprays, etc), or even ships that don't appear until years after the OT movie period is over (e-wing, and hinting at doing ep7 ships), but for some reason prequel/clone wars ships are a big no no. I just don't get it. I think it's purely hatred for those movies and nothing else.

If you think that, that is your entitled opinion, but it sounds a little paranoid to me. The thing people forget so much is that the factions were different in the prequels, so just including the ships across into the existing X-Wing isn't so simple. They also have stated countless times that the game X-Wing is the Galactic Civil Wars, so not the Clone Wars. It's not FFG's fault that people continuously choose to ignore the answer they have already given.

I actually enjoy that star wars has been always in expansion. Many of the things are silly, yes, but other many are just genius and add a lot to the universe. Take what you enjoy.

I love the scums.

Prequels...?

I think Tim Bisley put it best

There are rumors that Disney is pushing everyone to avoid prequel material and focus on the original trilogy era to set the stage for the new films. If true (which is quite possible and logical), FFG may simply be complying with them. Until FFG or Disney makes an official statement either way, assuming that they are intentionally avoiding prequel ships for any particular reason is complete speculation

I don't know how fan of this game dedicated enough to come online and argue about gameplay could be an OT-only purist, given that OT-only limits each faction to about 4-5 ships total and about as many pilots. People that into the game tend to want as much material as possible to work with, you know?

RE: the prequels, I expect to see some old, beat-to-heck ARC-170s and V-Wings in the pirate faction eventually.

I think the real question to put to these people is; what's the alternative? FFG have already released all the OT ships. Should they just stop there and end the game at this point? That would be very silly, and would lead to stagnation very quickly. It would be dull playing with the same ships over and over with no hope of anything new being introduced. So, given that they can't do that, what alternative is there other than using the EU ships? If you think the EU is crap, then fair enough, but that is largely irrelevant to be honest. Who cares if the books or comics or whatever were badly written? All that matters for the x-wing game is the ship design, so as long as that's good, we're fine.

OT not only limits ships, but also pilots. Even if you want to allow non-named Rebel grunts who appear on-screen for a few seconds as pilots, you have maybe 6-8 unique pilots to draw from as Rebels and a grand total of 2-3 (Vader and his wingmen) as Imperials. It's absolutely crippling to game diversity.

As I stated earlier, my preference to the OT is an emotional one. Something I dont get with EU.

I like the named pilots as I'll assume the pilots in ANH etc had names. I like the Royal Guard Interceptors, as the concept "fits" with my ideal. Do I like the "Mouldy Crow"? No. Will I berate someone for owning/playing one? Absolutely not.

What about OT?

Do I own a Tie Advance? No. I would probably only play Vader in it and since the only time he got in one was to chase after his kid after he stormed off I have no need for it. Tie Bombers? Nope, bombed a rock. Milennium Falcon? Nope. What about Luke Skywalker? Never played him, he jumped in a ship once and blew up some big thing, then used it as transport.

I remember the dog fights, lots of x-wings and lots of ties, thats what I play. I've got a few Firesprays, and even repainted Kath Scarlets, whoever she is, to match the card. Firesprays make sense to me, I've seen them. I've got a few B-wings, all repainted as Blue Daggers. Why? Don't know, I like them to look like the pictures probably. Will I buy an A-wing? Nope.

Personally, I think the whole OT/EU thing is less important than the developement of a mission based structure to keep my interest. My next purchases? Probably more Firesprays to repaint. That'll keep me happy.

Is the issue that the OT fanboys (myself included) voice their opinion, or that the EU supporters think they are wrong.

You see its simple. The people who only want OT claim to be regal fans but in truth are basement dwelling broke individuals . That's why they hold fast to the OT cause the game wouldn't have any place to go then.

Because our view differs to yours .. you throw insults!? Return to 4th grade sir .. maybe it won't take 3 years to pass it this time round.

People got into this game and enjoy this game for a variety of reasons: Competitive play, flying casual, to fly their favourite iconic ships around a table, etc. You are welcome to state your interests and to disagree with others .. but to resort to insults becuase someone's idea of a fun game is different to yours .. that is weak.

The issue is that we don't really know what you want. If you just want OT, you already have wave 1-3 with the OT ships. You can stop there.

About missions, i agree completely. Missions could be much fun even in competitive settings, and can keep things interesting for long time.

I'll admit I was surprised they optioned the TIE Phantom, since it's possibly the most obscure ship source-wise they've used thus far.

What I don't understand is why it matters where a ship/pilot originated. Who cares? Does it add new and interesting options to the game? If so, why should anyone care if it's well-known in the Star Wars universe?

The majority of pilot cards in X-wing are from the EU, as the movies give very few actual squadron or pilot names. Anyone who disregards the EU is limiting themselves thusly:

Empire:

1. No TIE Fighters. The movies give no names to TIE Fighter squadrons nor to any individual pilot. All squad names and notable pilots originate purely from the EU or were retcon'd into the movies via the EU.
2. Only Darth Vader is allowed for the TIE Advanced, and probably shouldn't be allowed at all since the TIE Advanced isn't identified as such until the EU.
3. No TIE Interceptors. See #1.
4. No TIE Bombers. See #1.
5. No TIE Defenders.
6. Only Captain Kagi is allowed for the Lambda-class Shuttle, though he's only mentioned in passing at the end of Episode III, and his use of the Lambda-class shuttle is never technically confirmed.
7. No VT-49 Decimator.
8. Only Boba Feet is allowed for the Firespray; again, technically shouldn't be allowed since the Firespray designation isn't identified until the EU.

Rebels:

• For X-wings, only the following are allowed: Red Squadron Pilot, Biggs Darklighter, Jek Porkins, Luke Skywalker, Wedge Antilles.
• Only the Gold Squadron Pilot and Grey Squadron Pilot are allowed for Y-wings.
• Only the Green Squadron Pilot is allowed for A-wings.
• No B-wings. The movies give no names to B-wing squadrons nor to any individual pilot. All squad names and notable pilots originate purely from the EU or were retcon'd into the movies via the EU. Technically speaking, the term "B-wing" doesn't even appear in the RotJ script at all.
• No E-wings.
• No Z-95s.
• No HKW-290s.
• Chewbacca, Lando Calrissian, and Han Solo are allowed for the YT-1300, although the ship designation doesn't appear until the EU.
• No YT-2400. This ship is the ultimate in movie retcon technology; it's only seen once, briefly, at the beginning of Episode IV, and only the EU gives it any kind of definition.
• No GR-75 Medium Transport. Again, you technically see it in Episode V, but only the EU gives it a classification.
• No CR-90 Corvette. Technically seen in Episode IV, but isn't given a classification until the EU.

Tie ints and Tie bombers are in the movies

I think if FFG were to restrict themselves to the OT only, this game would be finished. Complete. Done. As in going no further. And I'm fairly sure none of want to see X-Wing development grind to a halt just because they've run out of 'on screen' ships or pilots. Some of the EU isn't that great, but some of it is pretty good. And they've got to draw from somewhere.

I've been reading this forum for quite some time now and there have been numerous speculation threads about a third faction. Most that were in favour were hoping for pirates or something similar. A lot were in the 'naysayer' crowd, vehemently declaring it would never happen because it's not 'canon' or OT, or it should stay Rebels vs Imperials. I guess they were wrong, weren't they?

After the release of the huge ships, there were endless threads about bigger and bigger ships and the fierce debates over whether or not a Star Destroyer was going to be likely. Quite often these threads brought up the possibility of a fleet based game instead, as really huge ships (SDs) would be better in a fleet game. Again the 'naysayers' said it wouldn't happen. Just one answer for that - Armada.

If you're in the camp of "third faction doesn't belong" or if you insist the ships must be OT, then this game is complete for you. There's clearly going to be nothing further of any value for you from here out.

For the rest of us, there's a load of fresh possibilities on the horizon. Bring 'em on!

I don't understand it either. I'm an old timer Star Wars fan - Saw Star Wars in 1977 when I was 8 years old before it was even Episode IV. I've loved the EU since Splinter of the Mind's Eye and the Han Solo Adventures. I like the Special Editions, I like the EU (but realize there are some total stinker novels in it), I like the prequels, The Clone Wars, looking forward to Rebels and the new films. I just LOVE everything Star Wars and refuse to limit myself to only liking the first three movies.

I'm thrilled with the new faction, can't wait to be able to buy the S&V ships. Still hope they do more and more EU ships, ships from Rebels, ships from the new movies, and ships from the prequels. If they make it and the game stays as fresh and fun as it is now, I'll buy it. So will all the people I game with.

Jim

If I had any input to FFG, and I am glad I don't, I think third faction should be limited to factions, not an independent peson. Simply small third parties, Huts, Black Sun and whomever is a minor political government with a small fleet. This would even allow players to get into third faction. Or faction battles.

Hope y'all have fun playing.

Like 2 people have said they only want OT

Granted, they are very, very, loud...people.

Still, it's hardly a problem limited to this hobby, specifically. There are people that are just...like that. Can't actually enjoy something unless they can define it to exclude other things.

Good post man, you nailed it... that is exactly how it is for a lot of schmucks... toot toot!

i like the EU stuff and love the pirates faction its tiem for my empire to go in the shelf and make place for my new scum faction ;P. most of these hardliners can kiss ma *** just sayin its a game and be happy that it goes on with the waves and new enemies mean new upgrade cards, new functions new missions and even !!! new kind of fighters to fight !!

I grew up with computer games like x-wing and the superior tie fighter, played both rebel assault games, rogue squadron on n64 and GameCube, destroyed some controller playing super star wars etc.

Star wars has always been more than the movies for me.

Is everything eu good nooooooooooooooope, but it's far from being all bad.

Scum and villany has been in star wars since anh we just never saw more than bobbas slave1 on screen.

I'm cool with little bits of EU...HWK, TIE/D, sure, give it to me in small bites. For me, getting an entire faction of miscellaneous criminals who don't represent any faction in particular is a bummer. I've mentioned it a lot in other threads, bounty hunters and pirates don't go toe to toe with militaries. They would get destroyed, it's not in their nature.

Now, they definitely bounty hunt specific targets, scavenge wrecks, steal or ransom ships, but not straight up dogfight. Maybe once in a blue moon, but they wouldn't be engaging rebs/imps the same way those factions engage each other.

Maybe faction 3 was actually someone specific, but to say "I've got prince xizor with 2 generic pirates, a bounty hunter, and some dude loyal to the hutts" doesn't invoke a strong narrative.

Sure, I'm nitpicking, and I should go read a book if I want story, but it affects my enjoyment of the game and drops me from fanatical to casually interested.

I did nott read any Star-wars- books or comic books...Was enthralled by the movies though...When I first glimpsed X-wing miniature game ; it was in the midst of delayed releases , and drooling masses eagerly awaiting wave 1...Noticed game mechanics were centered around character pilots and nott the principal characters from the films...Really threw me off , and frankly still does...I have come to realize anything is possible in this game , even when you are told countless times ; this will never happen...The biggest issue is fixing useless ships ; by ignoring the problem and making diff ships...

Now we get a ground base game...

Star destroyers...

New faction...

Sighhhhhhhhh... and waiting for Imperial Epic...

Like 2 people have said they only want OT

Granted, they are very, very, loud...people.

Still, it's hardly a problem limited to this hobby, specifically. There are people that are just...like that. Can't actually enjoy something unless they can define it to exclude other things.

Good post man, you nailed it... that is exactly how it is for a lot of schmucks... toot toot!

I'm starting to get the impression that you don't understand the word "schmuck" is an insult. If I was going to cast aspersions, I might be inclined to say something about people who use excessive emoticons to distract from their horrid writing skills. But hey, don't take it personally if I feel that a person's writing style (or lack thereof) is indicative of their intelligence (or lack thereof).

I have found that this particular mind set is not just limited to star wars. Over the years I have found that this mind set occurs in and around a lot of things if our lifetimes. These days you only have to look at various forums for movies, books, games, etc. to see the passionate love/hate relationships being expressed all over the World Wide Web.

An old saying goes, "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."

That being said, I have loved most of Star Wars, from the OT right trough to today, when I first saw it in the late 70s. I shall continue to do so. And thanks to all at FFG, as my collection grows, for their wonderful and faithful representation of the Star Wars Universe.

Star Wars has a serious Broken Base ( http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenBase ). How many camps are there now?

Original Trilogy Fans

Prequel Trilogy Fans

Movie only Fans

Movie and TV only

EU Fans

Pick and choose fans

I would say that my perspective, as one of the die-hard 90s EU fans, that the anti-EU sentiment comes from the fact that the EU in the past 10 years (Legacy of the Force, The Old Republic, and Fate of the Jedi) spent a lot of time almost intentionally shrinking its fanbase, so that the number of people who love the EU is simply too small to overlap strongly with people who would love to play X-Wing.

That being said, one of the reasons I adore playing X-Wing is the ability for me to fly as Tycho, and Corran, and Tetran Cowell, and Broak Vessery. The ability to hold an E-Wing or Tie Defender in my hands (because the old 90s Action Fleet models are absurdly expensive). It's literally the chance I've wanted since I read the X-Wing novels in the late 90s to be those pilots. I probably would also love a computer game like the X-Wing vs Tie Fighter or Rogue Squadron series, but right now, this is what we have. And it's a fantastic outlet for those desires.

I would say that my perspective, as one of the die-hard 90s EU fans, that the anti-EU sentiment comes from the fact that the EU in the past 10 years (Legacy of the Force, The Old Republic, and Fate of the Jedi) spent a lot of time almost intentionally shrinking its fanbase, so that the number of people who love the EU is simply too small to overlap strongly with people who would love to play X-Wing.

That being said, one of the reasons I adore playing X-Wing is the ability for me to fly as Tycho, and Corran, and Tetran Cowell, and Broak Vessery. The ability to hold an E-Wing or Tie Defender in my hands (because the old 90s Action Fleet models are absurdly expensive). It's literally the chance I've wanted since I read the X-Wing novels in the late 90s to be those pilots. I probably would also love a computer game like the X-Wing vs Tie Fighter or Rogue Squadron series, but right now, this is what we have. And it's a fantastic outlet for those desires.

KotOR(not TOR, eugh) was pretty great, but I can definitely agree on LotF/FotJ. Far as I'm concerned, though, the X-wing/Bounty Hunter Wars books are about twice as canon as, let's say, the prequels, TCW, or Rebels.

Xwing is certainly not original trilogy. I'd bet my very meager life savings (partially due to Xwing!) that more fans have complete collections of xwing than "fans" who have OT specific collections.

They might be louder (sometimes) but that doesn't mean her ears more of them.