The otjher question is why were they celebrating on Tattooine. Why would they care on that pesthole?

The otjher question is why were they celebrating on Tattooine. Why would they care on that pesthole?

I always headcanon that they're celebrating because the local crimelord was throttled by one of his dancing girls...

The otjher question is why were they celebrating on Tattooine. Why would they care on that pesthole?

Desert Pesthole still had to pay taxes and had stormtroopers walking the streets.

Yeah. hahaha so much rebel propaganda!! =)

IIRC, Lucas himself addressed this not long after the special editions came out. He said that "nobody really wanted to be a part of this thing" or somesuch. Sorta like those guards that the Witch of the West had in The Wizard of Oz movie. They had to do what the Witch ordered them to do. But as soon as she died they were free to be good again, and hailed Dorothy as their liberator. It's like that on Coruscant: the wicked Emperor is dead!!

People do not volunteer to go through pilot training and then sit in the cockpit of a Tie/Ln because they do not believe in the system.

Cause da-da turned into a big stupid dope... poor sad ole Georgie.

Cause da-da turned into a big stupid dope... poor sad ole Georgie.

He made a movie with closure. Heroes win, evil empire loses. That's not stupid, it's just common moviemaking.

Really, I know Lucas made quite a few poor decisions regarding Star Wars after it returned in 1997, but it's quite sad how people try to view everything he did as something terrible.

It is a bit incongruous. Like, when Luke destroyed the Death Star, he killed literally tens of thousands of people; yet it was never even implied to be a difficult decision. I understand that the Rebels had to do it or be annihilated, but no one ever even brings up the point that thousands of essentially innocent lives might be lost, or mourns the necessity of doing so. The implication therefore is that everyone working for the empire is evil and doesn't deserve a second thought. But that's at odds with the whole 'everyone on Coruscant celebrating their liberation' scene.

I think that point is brought up in some of the EU Legacy Books where look is contemplating his actions and then finally thinks about all of the "innocents" that died when he blew up the first Death Star. I'd fully have expected the families of those on board to react similarly to the way the families of the Hood, Bismarck, and USS Arizona did when hearing about the destruction of the ship and incredible loss of life that happened on board those ships.

Of course having just blown up a Pacifist Planet a short time before itself being destroyed probably soothed a LOT of people's fears even if those directly tied to the destruction would have gone into mourning.

The curious thing about the "anti-alienness" of the Empire is that it's *entirely* an EU construct. (IE., Rebel propaganda)

There is nothing in the movies to imply or indicate the Empire has a problem with aliens at all. Heck, Vader rounds up a bunch of aliens for his hunt for Luke - and while the Imperials didn't like Vader doing that, it was not "Aliens. We don't need their scum" that anyone said, it was "Bounty Hunters. We don't need their scum" That they were or were not aliens was not a "thing".

And as to the 'evil' of the Empire...'Episode IV' seems to contradict that. Imperial troops, searching a wasteland outpost for their battle station plans encounter a locked door (that the starring droids just ducked behind)....do they knock it down to search the house? Not at all - "it's locked, let's move on". Heck, when the cantina owner has a bit of trouble in his bar, he actually contacts the Imperial troops for help! (This, along with the bartender's hostility to droids, btw, is one of my favorite retconned-in-connections between the series. Trusts the troops? Hates the droids? Probably a Clone War vet, himself...) Heck, the Imperial troops - when they finally DID find the Millenium Falcon - had to load their guns before entering the hangar. IE., they were walking around a civilian center with their weapons unarmed. As, you know, a legitimate force for good in the galaxy tasked with a tough job would do, and hardly the type of thing an Evil Galactic Empire of Evil would do.

Anyway, the EU stories definitely run roughshod over that, and paint the entire Empire as a LOT more evil than anything on-screen implemented. Oh, sure, there were evil individuals within the Empire (Moff Tarkin is plainly a war criminal of the highest order, Vader is nearly as bad, and the Emperor, himself, the worst of all of them - but they aren't the ENTIRE Empire)

Some might say the the anti-alien is NOT a EU construct. Except for Vader's Bounty Hunters are there any other scenes which show aliens in the Imperial ranks? There were plenty of opportunities to show other species in the ranks and you see that in many other science fiction films. I guess I should concede that the Yavin Victory ceremony appears to have mostly humans filling the ranks but the later movies do show other species being important to the Rebels where we don't see that for the Empire.

As for the Empire itself being "evil" I completely agree that it was not. The guy at the top certainly was and presumably a lot of people in high positions weren't so "good" but the average citizen of the Empire probably was good at heart. If not I'd simply blame propaganda produced from the higher ups to shape opinion. We may accept the Empire is modelled after Nazi Germany and a lot of the Star Wars action is based on WWII concept but there are also a lot of comparisons that could be made with the modern world although not all of them are particularly favorable.

I actually like the explanation that the celebrations on Coruscant are due to poor information about who actually won the battle.

trying to keep the galaxy safe

The curious thing about the "anti-alienness" of the Empire is that it's *entirely* an EU construct. (IE., Rebel propaganda)

Stormtroopers did kill and burn Luke's aunt and uncle and shot all those Jawas, then set it up to look like Tusken Raiders.

Not to mention...

Not that the Rebels are much better. Stupid racist humans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31A1WbkeD2I

"I was just doing my job" has never been a good excuse.

The Empire might have been anti-alien, but I gotta' say. the tabletops and FFG have done an interesting and awesome job of fairly representing women within The Empire.

The Empire might have been anti-alien, but I gotta' say. the tabletops and FFG have done an interesting and awesome job of fairly representing women within The Empire.

And the LGBTQ pilots, don't forget about those.

The Empire might have been anti-alien, but I gotta' say. the tabletops and FFG have done an interesting and awesome job of fairly representing women within The Empire.

And the LGBTQ pilots, don't forget about those.

We all know that Stele likes it up the butt.

Some might say the the anti-alien is NOT a EU construct. Except for Vader's Bounty Hunters are there any other scenes which show aliens in the Imperial ranks? There were plenty of opportunities to show other species in the ranks and you see that in many other science fiction films. I guess I should concede that the Yavin Victory ceremony appears to have mostly humans filling the ranks but the later movies do show other species being important to the Rebels where we don't see that for the Empire.

"MOSTLY" human? Heh, the Yavin victory celebration showed the Rebellion as entirely human - with the exception of one Wookie and two droids.

Not to mention the crew of the Tantive IV - all human. Or Echo Base on Hoth - also entirely human. The Rebel medical frigate? All human. etc.

The first time we see ANY aliens working for the Rebels was Return of the Jedi - where they were massing their fleet over Sullust (okay, so a token Sullustan will be allowed on the Rebel ships), and the Mon Calamari (whose ships were being used as the bulk of the fleet in the battle...so I guess we have to take them along, too, I suppose...)

About the only faction where we see really significant presence of non-humans on screen is the (*cough*) 'Scum and Villainy' sort. The bar in Mos Eisley (the 'wretched hive of scum and villainy', according to Obi-Wan Kenobi...a Rebel Jedi) seemed maybe 50/50 human vs alien, and in Jabba's palace humans seemed almost a minority.

(Of interest is the prequel trilogy showing the Jedi council as almost entirely non-human, and most of the Separatist worlds as non-human. It wouldn't be really that surprising to then see the following government have fewer non-humans, if so many alien worlds had recently been in rebellion against the Republic. Trust takes a while to re-form, after all...)

IIRC, Lucas himself addressed this not long after the special editions came out. He said that "nobody really wanted to be a part of this thing" or somesuch. Sorta like those guards that the Witch of the West had in The Wizard of Oz movie. They had to do what the Witch ordered them to do. But as soon as she died they were free to be good again, and hailed Dorothy as their liberator. It's like that on Coruscant: the wicked Emperor is dead!!

Yeah but then the Yuza Vong showed up and destroyed the whole Galaxy This would have never happened if Palpatine was still in charge, he would have foresaw it!

Please, the death star wasn't built to fight the usedcarbong, it was built to be a big giant flying NO. To any planets that dare try to rebel.