Yep, except it gives me for example a faction that i really want to play over Empire or Rebels. Tastes. Not everybody is just empire or rebels.

Such wisdom.

No, not everybody is, but a hell of a lot are.

Get it?

Define "hell of a lot"?

Are you serious?

Yeah, actually I am.

Most people tend to claim lots of people agree with them, but do so with very little evidence to back it up. You don't like it - fine, awesome. But at the moment there's pretty much nothing to support your claim of some groundswell of Rebel vs. Imperial Purity Movement.

So what I said was, "Define hell of a lot?". What I meant was, "Please stop making baseless claims about how so many people agree with you since you can't possibly have anything but anecdotal evidence, and not even much of that."

I'll add my voice to the chorus of not knowing a single faction player. Everyone I've played with buys and plays both. For reference I play in competitive league nights and tournaments, literally hundreds of opponents over the last two years.

So, if the only people playing single faction are a small fraction of the small fraction of the player base that uses these forums then that doesn't really say "helluva lot" imho.

I'm also an either/or player. In fact... and this is going to sound like an echo.... everyone I know who plays does both factions depending on their mood.

I think there are a lot more "plays both" players than players that only play a single faction. I mean, why would you want to restrict yourself to just one faction unless it just happened to fit your play style? And I'm not talking about financial situations, because that seldom factors into it when so many people collect both sides.

I'm also an either/or player. In fact... and this is going to sound like an echo.... everyone I know who plays does both factions depending on their mood.

I think there are a lot more "plays both" players than players that only play a single faction. I mean, why would you want to restrict yourself to just one faction unless it just happened to fit your play style? And I'm not talking about financial situations, because that seldom factors into it when so many people collect both sides.

I own both, but have mainly played Rebels so far. Somehow I think I'll be getting the opportunity to go no shields all guts a bit more often following the release of Rebel Aces, though.

I'm another one who doesn't know anyone collecting just one side. There are people who use one side more often, sure- I fly mostly Imperial, because every time I fly rebels I'm thinking "where the hell is the accelerator in this thing?"- but I still own at least one of every released rebel ship except the corvette. I'll buy at least one of every S&V ship too.

On a marginally related note, the best definition of anecdotal evidence I've heard is "the evidence you have when you don't have any evidence". (And before anyone comes back with "the plural of anecdote is data", it's not- because it isn't raw data nor is it rigorously collected, it is already subject to bias). Which makes the whole discussion rather moot, if not still fun to argue pointlessly about

I don't know a single person in my area that is just a "imperial or rebel", we mostly play what we want to play at the moment. In my zone i don't know a single person who isn't excited. Many people don't follow the game only for lore purposes, gameplay is important for them (myself included), and a new faction can open a new can of opportunities.

Same here. Most people I know playing the game have a good mix of Rebel and Imperial ships, and play whatever they feel like playing at the time.

Some of us already have Scum lists ready to go from day one. 2 Firesprays/2 Y-Wings/2 Z95's... all we're waiting for is the Most Wanted set.

Just to spred envy, I all ready now have confirmation of my 6K X-mas bonus. os I'm just gonna bye and not wait for Santa...

My Xwing purchases have priority over any other games. Especially new ones, because there is no player base and I still need to get into the rules.

That said, I'll definitely at least buy the Armada core set at some point, just to try the game.

As others have said i dont think it will make a dint in wave 6 sales

Armada is a different scale of game, it appeals to mainly the sort of person who loves epic battles, its the difference between playing say 'risk' where you decide the fate of continents and D&D where its about a character of yours not a country. Both greta games but somepeople prefer the big picture.

I also think a major pull to a lot of people is that xwing is prepainted to a high standard, having to paint armada ships will put some people off.

i've been gaming for nearly 30 years and i've got so much stuff that even with a recent purge of the lead pile i cant face buying into another game that requires painting, After seeing how 'hassle free' xwing was to play and also that you didnt *have* to paint anything (i still do sometimes) was a massive bonus.

I think die hard star wars fans will buy into both but for many fleet actions wont interest them *or* they will be the fleet action type that xwing filled a temporary gap for (probably the same people with 3 tantives) and they will jump ship (no pun intended) to go to a game closer to their heart.

Personally i have two huge battlefleet gothic fleets so if i have an urge fo epic space combat i'll play that. If armada turns out to be the worlds best game; well as BFG ships are worth their weight in gold i'll sell up those and have several hundred pounds to spend on armada and someone to paint it for me

I don't know a single person in my area that is just a "imperial or rebel", we mostly play what we want to play at the moment. In my zone i don't know a single person who isn't excited. Many people don't follow the game only for lore purposes, gameplay is important for them (myself included), and a new faction can open a new can of opportunities.

Same here. Most people I know playing the game have a good mix of Rebel and Imperial ships, and play whatever they feel like playing at the time.

Some of us already have Scum lists ready to go from day one. 2 Firesprays/2 Y-Wings/2 Z95's... all we're waiting for is the Most Wanted set.

defintily

Everyone i know started with the intention of doing 'just imperial' or 'just rebel' but then you do imperial and you buy a second core set to bulk out your ties... you plan on selling that xwing but... hey 'i've got 2/3ds of a rebel force here, i'll just buy a b wing' and BANG you're trapped

I stand by my point.

There are enough players on this forum who play one faction for me to feel it will make a difference.

And enough EU haters.

We'll see.

If the rules to armada are not:

'Rebels always run from Empire unless they're prepared to lose a lot of ships to kill a death star'

...then it doesn't feel very star wars.

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You should remind yourself that at no time in its history did the Alliance enjoy the resources to fight a conventional war. And the one time we were forced by circumstance to do so, at Hoth, we suffered a terrible defeat.

I was am still very excited about the traditional Star Wars fighters. When Wave 4 was announced my excitement was more around individual ships; I thought getting the TIE Defender would be awesome.

Now Wave 5 and Wave 6 (Scum and Villainy) is coming out. I just can't seem to get excited. I may get a couple of Wave 6 for flavor; but I'm not building squads as I've done. Wave 5... probably 1 each again for the flavor. It does appear that I'm slowing, but I'm not sure where the game is going for me. I am seriously waiting and saving up for 1 or 2 Imperial Huge, sliding scale and all. The waiting is definitely affecting my future purchases. I tend to over collect, not as many as some though. I have both sides and, hopefully, enough to field both sides in a 400 point Epic game.

Armada, I'm undecided.

Are you kidding me. I have no interest in Armada at all. Way to expensive and the strategy we saw from it doesn't look that good. Maybe after someone else pays for it I will play it otherwise I will never get it.

I will be getting Wave 6 for sure!

I won't be buying any Armada as I can't justify getting into another miniatures game and X-Wing has the player base that Armada will never be able to equal.

But, I also won't be buying any Wave 6 either as I have 0 interest in the S&V faction and refuse to buy the ships just for the cards. What is very annoying is that the fix for the TIE Interceptor vs turrets is going to be in an S&V expansion. Have to print my own proxies for the first time.

If anyone from FFG is reading this though... don't despair... you'll still be getting my money for the X-COM board game!

I was am still very excited about the traditional Star Wars fighters. When Wave 4 was announced my excitement was more around individual ships; I thought getting the TIE Defender would be awesome.

Now Wave 5 and Wave 6 (Scum and Villainy) is coming out. I just can't seem to get excited. I may get a couple of Wave 6 for flavor; but I'm not building squads as I've done. Wave 5... probably 1 each again for the flavor. It does appear that I'm slowing, but I'm not sure where the game is going for me. I am seriously waiting and saving up for 1 or 2 Imperial Huge, sliding scale and all. The waiting is definitely affecting my future purchases. I tend to over collect, not as many as some though. I have both sides and, hopefully, enough to field both sides in a 400 point Epic game.

Armada, I'm undecided.

You see its easy to say what i'm about to say in hindsight but if i'd have been planning 'releases' for xwing

I'd have put one iconic OT ship, one EU ship, and one large ship as the core of each wave.

It would have meant waiting longer for say B wing, or A wing or TIE bomber but you wouldnt have a wave coming out where someone who only know the films cant recognise any of the ships he can buy other than the core set.

I knew the phantom, z95 and defender from playing the 90s sim ganmes but when i first bough the core set there were only really A wings and Bombers on the blister racks that i recognised (oh and the HWK from dark forces).

What i *wanted* as a new player was an x wing or y wing to add to my core set but i had to go on ebay for those.

If anyone from FFG is reading this though... don't despair... you'll still be getting my money for the X-COM board game!

This is a very good point. I forgot about XCOM!

But, I also won't be buying any Wave 6 either as I have 0 interest in the S&V faction and refuse to buy the ships just for the cards. What is very annoying is that the fix for the TIE Interceptor vs turrets is going to be in an S&V expansion. Have to print my own proxies for the first time.

I guess I don't understand this. I wouldn't want to shut myself off from a giant portion of the game in the first place, but having done so, it seems odd to be annoyed that you'll have to deal with the predictable consequences. They've never offered a la carte pricing for upgrades before, after all, so why would they start doing so now?

Are people still that hurt over being wrong about a third faction, its been like a month now its time to get over it.

A third faction was the only sensible business choice they had to keep the game going they are running out of recognizable rebel and imperial fighters.

Yeah at least people are not constantly moaning about armada taking the place of a huge imperial ship though

at least that whinge has died a death

it seems odd to be annoyed that you'll have to deal with the predictable consequences.

Agreed, I mean if they put a upgrade card in one of the S&V packs that said Interceptor Only, then I think there would be room for some irritation. But considering the ships that are part of S&V such an upgrade while useful for the Interceptor will also be useful for S&V ships.

So if you don't want to get the 3rd faction you really don't have any justification for being upset about missing any upgrades that come with it.

...especially since the vast majority of the upgrades in the expansion will either be

a: already available in other expansions

b: eventually be available in other expansions or

c: be faction specific anyway.

Pretty sure the cannons won't be faction specific. And there will be helpful upgrades for all factions (anti turret modification to make interceptors more relevant again for example). But really, how did you get a gunner for your rebels before YT2400? Or fire control systems before tie phantom ?

Eventually those upgrades will stop being only scum.

Meh. Besides, Armada is just another game that I may, or may not, end up buying.

However, in addition to possibly getting it I also want to pick up Caverna, Red Dragon Inn 4, Last Banquet, all the S&V packs, along with paying for things like food, mortgage, gas, movies too. There's also a large local game con next weekend where I'm sure I'll find a few other games I've never heard of that I'll want to pick up.

It's not like there's just one game that's going to stop me from buying stuff. It's called life, and we make plans and we adapt for it.

After playing a demo at gencon for Armada, I found that there was a sever lack of strategy in the game. There are a couple small things but it is lacking the one thing that makes X-Wing great and that is the maneuvering. Like i guess capital ship combat should, it just feels clunky. I'll prolly buy the starter because ya know...Star Wars, but otherwise I'm convinced it will be a short lived experiment. I wish it luck because ya know...Star Wars.

On the other hand ERMAGERD!!!! I'm so excited for S&V!!! Since "Tales of the Bounty Hunters" hit shelves, I've been hooked on them. Just a more exciting story then the main plot line. Something about guys who are neither good nor evil that makes for a good plot. I need a spoiler like a crack junkie...

I'm just not sold on armada. X-wing is made to be quick and it is straightforward, simple to learn hard to master. Armada is far too nuanced and complex, while fleets SHOULD be complex that jus is too much for me.

After playing a demo at gencon for Armada, I found that there was a sever lack of strategy in the game.

Not trying to say your impression or opinion is wrong. But you did play a demo of a beta game. We know that there's a fair amount of the game that wasn't part of the demo. Such as how fighters work, there's stuff there that wasn't part of the demo.

Myself I fully plan on getting Aramda when it comes out, but I don't think people should write the game off based on the demo of a beta product lacking something.