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It is non-unique for a reason.

Adding in a third faction be it Hutt/Blacksuns would be a great way to add in extra ships.

It would also be a good way to add in some of the less lame episode-wars ships (most of us older star wars fans should know the originals as CHAPTERS not that re-released trash from the mid 90's)

It would make thematic sense to have the ARC-170(??) in the game under a pirate faction as they would be using older equipment. It would also keep a lot of the prequel kids happy.

Heck even I would buy them and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who hates the prequels more than me!!

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It is shiny Star Wars pictures shared between games. Intimidate probably turned up in an Edge of Empire book before here and thus features some more Edge of Empirey ships. Please do not invite me to dig the great multitude of posts on how you can't predict ships from card art. Unless you want to claim we're getting a Yevethan faction as depicted on Etahn A'baht.

Okay?

As everyone's been saying, a third "Scum and Villainy" faction would be four waves and an acepack behind. Plus, their ships (the various YTs, the Firespray (for which the pilots are a pirate that preyed on Imperial convoys, a slaver and two bounty hunters, and the Z-95, the second most Scum and Villainy fighter of them all after the DIE-wing) have already been made and handed to the Rebels or Empire. Just like an X-wing scale Star Destroyer, it is not going to happen because FFG aren't fools. While it's possible they might do neutral ships as actually neutral ships (either faction can use them), a third faction ain't happening.

Speculation about a 3rd wave set aside, there is absolutely no reason to continue the argument against EU ships. The argument being that they're too obscure and people will for some reason not buy them because they haven't seen them before. The game is a game, it's more than people just collecting figurines. The ships add mechanics and new possibilities to squad building and entertainment so I doubt that, just because they haven't seem it before, people wouldn't buy a new ship. People play this game because they like star wars and if they are exposed to more material beyond the movies they are vastly more likely to consume it and learn about it rather than shunning it. Besides, FFG has already done exactly that with waves 4 and 5, not to mention the majority of the pilots released on OT and EU ships, and people bought them up. And to the comment about the nebulon b - that's part of the core set of armada. So there ya go.

Edit: Unless the nebulon b comment was related to how they won't put it out for epic because of the size. In that case never mind, it's probably not a possibility. Although if they start relaxing on scale they miiiight just put one out.

I believe the Nebulon-B argument was that it wasn't suitable as an Imperial huge because most people view it as the Rebel medical frigate.

I believe the Nebulon-B argument was that it wasn't suitable as an Imperial huge because most people view it as the Rebel medical frigate.

Ah, I'd agree with that. The fact that it's a rebel ship in armada strongly supports that.

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It is shiny Star Wars pictures shared between games. Intimidate probably turned up in an Edge of Empire book before here and thus features some more Edge of Empirey ships. Please do not invite me to dig the great multitude of posts on how you can't predict ships from card art. Unless you want to claim we're getting a Yevethan faction as depicted on Etahn A'baht.

Okay?

As everyone's been saying, a third "Scum and Villainy" faction would be four waves and an acepack behind. Plus, their ships (the various YTs, the Firespray (for which the pilots are a pirate that preyed on Imperial convoys, a slaver and two bounty hunters, and the Z-95, the second most Scum and Villainy fighter of them all after the DIE-wing) have already been made and handed to the Rebels or Empire. Just like an X-wing scale Star Destroyer, it is not going to happen because FFG aren't fools. While it's possible they might do neutral ships as actually neutral ships (either faction can use them), a third faction ain't happening.

Speculation about a 3rd wave set aside, there is absolutely no reason to continue the argument against EU ships. The argument being that they're too obscure and people will for some reason not buy them because they haven't seen them before. The game is a game, it's more than people just collecting figurines. The ships add mechanics and new possibilities to squad building and entertainment so I doubt that, just because they haven't seem it before, people wouldn't buy a new ship. People play this game because they like star wars and if they are exposed to more material beyond the movies they are vastly more likely to consume it and learn about it rather than shunning it. Besides, FFG has already done exactly that with waves 4 and 5, not to mention the majority of the pilots released on OT and EU ships, and people bought them up. And to the comment about the nebulon b - that's part of the core set of armada. So there ya go.

Edit: Unless the nebulon b comment was related to how they won't put it out for epic because of the size. In that case never mind, it's probably not a possibility. Although if they start relaxing on scale they miiiight just put one out.

Gentlemen you both make fine points positive and negative. Thank you for contributing!

From the beginning I said I'd prefer bi-factional units. Just saying.

I don't know what a third faction would really add to the game that would differentiate it from the other 2. In terms of mechanics both sides have tank ships and agile ships. Both have ultra cheap fighters and both have prohibitively expensive ones. No real mechancial niche left since we have stealthy ships for the Imperial and higher survivability for the rebels.

Thematically the Imperial also already have that sinister feel to them especially with the decimator.

I wouldn't quit over a third fact but I'd prefer faction less ships I think.

i'd love to see a 3rd faction. Again for some ships (like the y-wing) they would only have to release new pilot cards and cardboard ships bases. I think it would bring alot more flavour into an already great game.

Personally, as someone who does not know much about the EU of Star wars, I would love to see a pirate faction. I feel like they would not actually be that far behind in terms of ships if a "Pirate Expansion" set came out where they had new pilots for existing ships as well as 1 or two new ships. I think it would be really sweet to be able to fly some of the current imperial ships with rebel ships under a new flag.

The balance being that there would not be as many Pirate/ 3rd faction specific upgrade cards because they would have a wider choices of ships. In that they would have more interactions between the ships than the upgrades for the ships making them better.

Besides, think about how glorious a three way dog fight would be where the rebels and imperials are competing to get the pirate faction player to attack the other person.

I'm not going to even try to claim that this is what would happen, just that this would be pretty cool in my opinion. Especially if doing so makes this game last longer than it would otherwise because it is one heck of an awesome game.

Very nice second post. Welcome to the Parlor!

Personally, as someone who does not know much about the EU of Star wars, I would love to see a pirate faction. I feel like they would not actually be that far behind in terms of ships if a "Pirate Expansion" set came out where they had new pilots for existing ships as well as 1 or two new ships. I think it would be really sweet to be able to fly some of the current imperial ships with rebel ships under a new flag.

The balance being that there would not be as many Pirate/ 3rd faction specific upgrade cards because they would have a wider choices of ships. In that they would have more interactions between the ships than the upgrades for the ships making them better.

Besides, think about how glorious a three way dog fight would be where the rebels and imperials are competing to get the pirate faction player to attack the other person.

I'm not going to even try to claim that this is what would happen, just that this would be pretty cool in my opinion. Especially if doing so makes this game last longer than it would otherwise because it is one heck of an awesome game.

I wouldn't mind all of these eu ships appearing in the game...some look quite entertaining. I just feel that an actual 3Rd separate faction is a bad move from both a thematic and business perspective. I am already heavily invested in 2 factions...both if whom feature smugglers, pirates, and bounty Hunters. I would rather have new ships be compatible with the forces I have. I should not have to start a new faction to benefit from new releases. Precedent had shown that these types of ships will be assigned to an existing faction. This is a good thing as it keeps new expansions available to ALL players. Arbitrarily creating another faction will cut into their sales as there are many of us who for both economic and emotional reasons won't invest in a new faction. Incorporating these kinds of ships into the existing factions keeps everyone engaged.

Now can we please stop creating a daily thread for this subject?!

Personally, as someone who does not know much about the EU of Star wars, I would love to see a pirate faction. I feel like they would not actually be that far behind in terms of ships if a "Pirate Expansion" set came out where they had new pilots for existing ships as well as 1 or two new ships. I think it would be really sweet to be able to fly some of the current imperial ships with rebel ships under a new flag.

The balance being that there would not be as many Pirate/ 3rd faction specific upgrade cards because they would have a wider choices of ships. In that they would have more interactions between the ships than the upgrades for the ships making them better.

Besides, think about how glorious a three way dog fight would be where the rebels and imperials are competing to get the pirate faction player to attack the other person.

I'm not going to even try to claim that this is what would happen, just that this would be pretty cool in my opinion. Especially if doing so makes this game last longer than it would otherwise because it is one heck of an awesome game.

I take it you have never played a 3 person ffa style game before...not fun. One guy usually gets double teamed or 2 people fight and the one who stays out cleans up the Winner.

I wouldn't mind all of these eu ships appearing in the game...some look quite entertaining. I just feel that an actual 3Rd separate faction is a bad move from both a thematic and business perspective. I am already heavily invested in 2 factions...both if whom feature smugglers, pirates, and bounty Hunters. I would rather have new ships be compatible with the forces I have. I should not have to start a new faction to benefit from new releases. Precedent had shown that these types of ships will be assigned to an existing faction. This is a good thing as it keeps new expansions available to ALL players. Arbitrarily creating another faction will cut into their sales as there are many of us who for both economic and emotional reasons won't invest in a new faction. Incorporating these kinds of ships into the existing factions keeps everyone engaged.

Now can we please stop creating a daily thread for this subject?!

I have actually played 3 person free for all games. I personally (I know not everyone feels the same way) like how it makes the game more dynamic by creating alliances and making you choose to not necessarily charge right at the opponent but rather pick and choose your attacks wisely.

In addition, if FFG decided to create a "third faction expansion set" kinda thing that included one or two unique ships and a lot of pilot cards and upgrades for existing ships there would not be a huge buy in for existing players. In addition to this, as far as financial situations go, people will still buy the ships that they like in quantities that they can afford. What I mean by that is, there are players that buy both rebels and imperials and maintain fleets of both factions in large numbers as well as players that only have one faction. If there was a third faction, the people that like the ships would buy them and the people that don't wouldn't. There is no mandate that states you need to own all of the ships.

My final point would be that (again in my limited opinion) it seems as though the wave 5 ships are encouraging the use of smaller lists of ships instead of usual 4+ ship lists that are common in tournaments. I think that we will start to see lists of three maybe even two ships in tournament lists. This means that it will become infinitely easier for new players to start off with only 2-3 ships (which makes the buy-in value much lower). If a third faction is made that new player would only need to buy 2-3 ships from the new faction to be competitive. Essentially what I mean is that we would not have to pay a lot of money to get into the new faction, nor are you required to buy its ships.

Again I am not pretending that I know everything there is or that everyone shares my opinions so if my statements offend you in any way I am sorry.

Either FFG makes a third faction and the third faction supporters go "HA!" and point their fingers at the naysayers.

Or FFG makes an announcement that they will discontinue X-Wing before making a third faction and the naysayers won't get to heartily "HA!" at us back because we'd all be grieving too heavily at the discontinuation of our precious X-Wing and move over to Armada where the same argument will continue in a vicious cycle.

It will never end.

No offense taken...Sorry if I came off as harsh.

You are the first person I have ever heard say they enjoy a 3 man ffa. And that is your prerogative. I don't find them to be dynamic and find they can create hard feelings or kill enjoyment as players hold back to avoid having.

As I have states in other threads my main argument is thus:

Precedent doesn't support it. Smugglers, pirates, and bounty Hunters already exist in the 2 factions we have. Why can't we incorporate these "fringe" type ships into the existing factions as has already been done?

There are many of us that, for various reasons, don't want to start a new fleet from scratch to be able to enjoy new content.

Current factions could grow stale as ffg would have to pour excess development resources into this new faction to make it competitive with the current ones. Yes new card upgrades would be compatible...but see argument 2. New imp and reb ships could slow to a crawl.

Either FFG makes a third faction and the third faction supporters go "HA!" and point their fingers at the naysayers.

Or FFG makes an announcement that they will discontinue X-Wing before making a third faction and the naysayers won't get to heartily "HA!" at us back because we'd all be grieving too heavily at the discontinuation of our precious X-Wing and move over to Armada where the same argument will continue in a vicious cycle.

It will never end.