No one said they would be announced at Gen Con or indeed the third faction would ever come

I just think it shows how lame people are that they flame anyone that disagrees with them about the list I shared earlier

might have to do with hearing the same comments all the time even when certain concepts are right there in the open, I've said it before. Just because someone wants it so bad doesn't mean it will happen. Some people just can't let go.. lol.. ah well..

might have to do with hearing the same comments all the time even when certain concepts are right there in the open, I've said it before. Just because someone wants it so bad doesn't mean it will happen. Some people just can't let go.. lol.. ah well..

I agree but you aren't listening to me, just because someone DOESN'T want it so bad doesn't mean it isn't going to happen

Ha ha.. I've heard that.. but there is more reason to think my way than to think the other.. and if I'm wrong.. I'm not one of the ones saying it will break the game or destroy it, Im the one saying I probably won't buy it. that's all

Jeez you guys I'm away one night playing x-wing and eating pizza and look what happens.

Ha ha.. I've heard that.. but there is more reason to think my way than to think the other.. and if I'm wrong.. I'm not one of the ones saying it will break the game or destroy it, Im the one saying I probably won't buy it. that's all

that is fair enough point

mine is that this is very lucrative and I don't see FFG (at least at some point) not taking full advantage of prequel ships etc

the initial design in some sense might have changed because of its success, remember its only what 2 years old? that isn't long for a minis game

Wait lassie what's that noise? A few people telling FFG on a forum how to make their own games, well lassie that told them

I have three more ships than you so my opinion is twice as valid!!

What do you THINK will be at Gencon? (for XWING)

I think they will have the Imperial Epic ships

(pretty obvious)

I think they will have a third faction

(Less so now I saw Armada, but there has been a lot of card art lately)

I think they will have some Wave 5 ships because of the sneak peeks last night

Please DONT post what you WANT/DON'T WANT just what you THINK will be there and don't spam it up with no I don't want that just what you THINK will be there.

I have sneaking suspicion that a lot of the hate for a new faction is that it will impune on the hopes of people waiting for their factions ships to next be released. Imperials are down in numbers if I read correctly; An "imbalance in the force," of a kind, I can see how that fact might upset some Imperial players, and more so if another faction comes out.

I'm going to have me the biggest laugh when we get a third faction and people like Wonder and his pals quit X-Wing and we all live happily ever after.

You don't have to be inflammatory. I don't think anyone is going to quit over a third faction, we just disagree about the need or probability.

I don't know if they really meant it, you can't say there isn't anyone.

Ha ha.. I've heard that.. but there is more reason to think my way than to think the other.. and if I'm wrong.. I'm not one of the ones saying it will break the game or destroy it, Im the one saying I probably won't buy it. that's all

that is fair enough point

mine is that this is very lucrative and I don't see FFG (at least at some point) not taking full advantage of prequel ships etc

the initial design in some sense might have changed because of its success, remember its only what 2 years old? that isn't long for a minis game

I'd love to see some prequel ships, I also don't think they will do them for reasons others have pointed out that make sense to me.

Ha ha.. I've heard that.. but there is more reason to think my way than to think the other.. and if I'm wrong.. I'm not one of the ones saying it will break the game or destroy it, Im the one saying I probably won't buy it. that's all

that is fair enough point

mine is that this is very lucrative and I don't see FFG (at least at some point) not taking full advantage of prequel ships etc

the initial design in some sense might have changed because of its success, remember its only what 2 years old? that isn't long for a minis game

I'd love to see some prequel ships, I also don't think they will do them for reasons others have pointed out that make sense to me.

I think that's a tough call, the game is after all called X-wing for a reason. It's set in the Rebellion era, so I can see the reasoning from that point of view. But I've also read that they have dipped slightly beyond that era with some video game or RPG ships, don't remember which. And my thinking on this is that there is a limit to the ships in the Rebellion era that are worth doing and that would be popular, and so the only direction left to expand would be the time before and the time after. In other words I don't think that just because the game is called X-wing that they will stop trying to profit from all of the movies and expanded universe ships. This by the way is another reasonable argument in favor of a third fraction. I just watch Episode one again and there was certainly some fighter dog-fight scenes in that movie, and I could see them making those ships as well.

As of yet, no card art has heralded in a new ship, it's just art.

(I don't see any Preybirds out here yet)

Preybird-Class Starfighter?

That looks like a cool fighter...

(HLC + Concussion Missiles + Crew slot)

...which card is that you're referring to??

Why have you underlined card?

What is that stuff in brackets about HLC?

How can you give a ship that doesn't exist any upgrades.

It's quite simple...

The first post refers to a ship... Preybirds.

I posted a link in my response to the Preybirds article page.

There you will find a description of this ship which I said was cool

Then I listed the abbreviated reasons that I thought it was a cool ship.

The article says under Armament that it has a heavy laser cannon (HCL),

and also Concussion Missiles, two launchers actually (fore/aft),

and also two crew, one pilot and one gunner...

So I think it's cool because if it were to be produced it would have...

"(HLC + Concussion Missiles + Crew slot)"

Now, back to the reason for mentioning Preybirds...

He saw the art work on a CARD...

so you see I underlined it to highlight that I was referring to the card artwork.

I hope that it makes sense to you know and you continue with your English lessons.

Glentopher

The could release an Aces style pack with repainted ships/cards for the ships that could be a pirate faction with slightly different stats even this would allow them to add a lot of ships quickly to a pirate faction without 9 new models

I will dig out that card are but it is on the forum

One reason why the the third faction is thought to be implausible is that the number of ships won't match to the existing ones...

...well, not immediately at least. But it wouldn't take long for them to catch up, especially with the ever-dwindling numbers of recognisable Imperial and Rebel specific craft available. The number of unaligned/neutral EU faction ships that could potentially be added to the game far outweighs the number of remaining Imperial and Rebel ships that could potentially be added to the game.

Not just the Starviper and the Preybird, but the Cloakshape Starfighter, Razor Fighter, Supafighter, Toscan Fighter, Authority IRD, R41-Starchaser, Pinook Fighter, Planetary Defender, Pursuer-class Enforcement Ship, Aggressor Assault Fighter, YV-666 Light Freighter, Muurian Transport, so on, so forth.

Now, FFG could - if they decided there was a market for these ships/wanted to continue expanding the X-wing game/were allowed to produce them under the terms of their license - try to shoehorn them into the existing Imperial and Rebel factions, but then they would risk those factions losing their recognisable identity.

Two Razor Fighters, a Supafighter and a TIE Defender, anyone?

This is exactly what I'm saying. Ace box or just cards that come with the new ships.

Of course people will complain that they have to buy the new cards in a separate box to the ships if they did it that way, but they could put enough cards and tokens in one box to allow people to use existing ships.

If they wanted to.

FFG ANNOUNCES - MEET THE AZZAMEENS BOX SET!

A brand new box set featuring the NEW YT-2000, repainted YT-1300 and a repainted Firespray with new REBEL pilot cards for the Firespray, plus new pilots, upgrades, title cards and crew cards, all three ships allowing you to field the famous Rebel family from X-Wing Alliance, yours for only $80!

FTS Gecko Not sure why you are picking up on one line I said, that I was actually making a counter to myself.

Easy, Chewie. Simply because that line, as you rightly said, is a commonly used argument against a new faction.

Yeah but that's not real.

Hate to break this to you kiddo, but this is a rampant speculation thread based on an odd occurrence on a third party website - I'm pretty sure the vast majority of content on this thread is discussing things which are "not real".

I don't think so, everyone here knows who Jabba is. The image has a lot of shared meaning. It's exactly the opposite of "letting go" really if you think about it.Seems to me like you are still sore, purposefully avoiding agreeing with anything I post.What did you think of the syndicate title card idea I posted?

I think it's making a couple of key assumptions about the third faction--namely that it exists and that it will be exclusive, the way the Rebellion and Empire are now, rather than a set of unaligned/mercenary ships that can fight for either side. Given those assumptions, it's not a bad idea but probably runs counter to FFG's recent design decisions focusing play toward higher-PS pilots.

I have sneaking suspicion that a lot of the hate for a new faction is that it will impune on the hopes of people waiting for their factions ships to next be released. Imperials are down in numbers if I read correctly; An "imbalance in the force," of a kind, I can see how that fact might upset some Imperial players, and more so if another faction comes out.

The Empire is "behind" because they have no Huge ships. (That is, they have no Huge ships yet, keeping in mind they're announcing something tomorrow.) Otherwise, the game's two factions have access to the same number of content releases.

I hope that it makes sense to you know and you continue with your English lessons.

You meant "now" rather than "know" in this sentence, right? I'm sure it's just a typo, though. Presumably, the missing comma in your conjunction is also just an oversight due to haste, rather than a genuine error reflecting a lack of understanding of comma usage in standard English grammar.

I mention it because you seem awfully sure--both now and in response to a prior conversation with me--that your own English usage is beyond reproach.

In all sincerity though, different people enjoy different aspects of the game for different reasons. Some really like the look of the models and that helps them get into the game. Wanting actual models for a third faction doesn't mean that they are less imaginative, it just means that they like the model aspect of the game and not just the flying.

He ain't talking imagine a Lambda is a Star Destroyer, he's talking be creative with the squad rules. You want models for the ships, you've got them already.

The most popular pirate starfighter of all is the Z-95 Headhunter, and they had little trouble getting ahold of Y-wings. You've got that. Want smugglers? You've got three different smuggler freighters, the YT-1300, the YT-2400 and the HWK. Want uniques? Only Lando, Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn are strictly Rebel, both Han and Chewie (YT-1300) did plenty of fringe jobs, Roark Garnet (HWK)'s a smuggler with little to do with the rebels, none of the YT-2400 pilots are members of the Rebel Alliance and one (Eaden Vrill) has nothing to do with them at all. On the other side you've got the Firespray. I hear you saying Boba Fett doesn't fit in your pirate faction, but you've got Krassis Trelix (a slaver), generic Bounty Hunter, and Kath Scarlet, who's a space pirate that preyed on Imperial convoys.

Look, there's really no reason to completely discount a third faction. In fact, it wouldn't be totally unwelcome IMO. I'd love a neutral faction myself, because it would sit better with me when I see StarVipers for real and they're Black Sun/Neutral ships.

The thing is, there's no real logical reason to say that they will make a third faction. It's no inevitable, and it's certainly not a financially wise decision. Anyone who claims otherwise obviously has a cursory at best understanding of how licensing and branding work. It's not enough to say, "we want a third faction. Do it." There is a LOT of money involved in new artwork of any sort, and that money has to be justified to not only the CEOs of FFG, but the guys at Disney who put up the initial amount which has to be earned back. Making new art for a card is justifiable if it's necessary for a new expansion. However, making an entirely new faction would be much more expensive, and the costs for R&D and new art for a new faction have to be justified, and that's not easy to do.

Imagine going to your boss at work and justifying a brand new break room. Yeah, it would probably increase productivity, but there's a lot of cost to do that when they can simply take the old break room and add a new vending machine to it.

Justifying the cost of a new wave when it would require new materials (a new set of rules as to how to handle the new ships), new artwork (for the third faction and the new art for existing ships) and new errata would make this a hard sell to the shareholders.

Is it impossible? Of course not, but neither is climbing Mt. Everest. And when it comes to convincing other people to give you money for something they could perceive as unnecessary, it might as well be a mountain climb.

No you posted your own homebrew cards, pushing them on everyone else in a speculation thread. opportunistically pushing your warez on to other people at every chance you get. kiddo.

Indeed. Thus handily illustrating the point you were struggling to make. But hey, you were so busy bleating on randomly I guessed you missed that part?

No you posted your own homebrew cards, pushing them on everyone else in a speculation thread. opportunistically pushing your warez on to other people at every chance you get. kiddo.

Indeed. Thus handily illustrating the point you were struggling to make. But hey, you were so busy bleating on randomly I guessed you missed that part?

I liked your use of the word "bleating" here. LOL

In all sincerity though, different people enjoy different aspects of the game for different reasons. Some really like the look of the models and that helps them get into the game. Wanting actual models for a third faction doesn't mean that they are less imaginative, it just means that they like the model aspect of the game and not just the flying.

He ain't talking imagine a Lambda is a Star Destroyer, he's talking be creative with the squad rules. You want models for the ships, you've got them already.

The most popular pirate starfighter of all is the Z-95 Headhunter, and they had little trouble getting ahold of Y-wings. You've got that. Want smugglers? You've got three different smuggler freighters, the YT-1300, the YT-2400 and the HWK. Want uniques? Only Lando, Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn are strictly Rebel, both Han and Chewie (YT-1300) did plenty of fringe jobs, Roark Garnet (HWK)'s a smuggler with little to do with the rebels, none of the YT-2400 pilots are members of the Rebel Alliance and one (Eaden Vrill) has nothing to do with them at all. On the other side you've got the Firespray. I hear you saying Boba Fett doesn't fit in your pirate faction, but you've got Krassis Trelix (a slaver), generic Bounty Hunter, and Kath Scarlet, who's a space pirate that preyed on Imperial convoys.

I once again point out that being able to have a few models that can be used as a third faction is not as viable as actually having an ffg supported 3rd faction. There are a few ships you could use that way, but you also have to find opponents willing to let you field them that way (not a given) and you have to hope that you will get more in the future.

I know 2014 marks the start of WWI a 100 years ago, but there's no need to commemorate it by reliving trench warfare. Lines have been drawn, people have made their opinions clear and it's also clear that it will be very hard to persuade anyone.

And that's noticeable, people are getting testy and snarky, and that's a bit of a shame because there's a nice community here. It is saying something that when you look at the most liked content of the community pages this forum is so overwhelmingly represented it's as if a million stormtroopers invaded the starship Enterprise, there's just no contest.

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/best-content/

So step back, we're here because we like this game and to turn into Third Faction Fundamentalists or Canon Thumpers or Star Destroyer Zealots will just be a shame.

Some people hope for a new faction, some people would like to see them implemented in the current two, some people would love an ISD and some say it would break the game, if not the table and bank. It's all in the hands of the Makers anyway.

So why not let this thread rest, at least until after Gen Con?

What point, you didn't make a point. You posted your own cards. They have nothing to do with FFG.

So sorry Glentopher. Wasn't it you that posted this then?

This is exactly what I'm saying. Ace box or just cards that come with the new ships.

Of course people will complain that they have to buy the new cards in a separate box to the ships if they did it that way, but they could put enough cards and tokens in one box to allow people to use existing ships.

If they wanted to.

I could have sworn it was you. So I followed up that argument - again, sorry if it wasn't you - with the tongue-in-cheek example of the Azzameens, one of whom flew the currently Imperial-only Firespray.

Given that FFG have already released the pilots from the X-Wing and TIE Fighter PC games (Keyan Farlander and Maarek Stele) I thought this may be an amusingly appropriate yet (just like the rest of the thread) wildly over-the-top and speculative example. The FIRESPRAY! Reboxed in an ACES PACK! With a REBEL PILOT!!1!1ONE!

Folks: the internet. Where people turn into Lancer Frigates when you agree with them.