The dice gods are at it again. This game is a complete outlier. I was flying:

Soontir+PTL+TC
Onyx+Ion Cannon
Onyx+Ion Cannon

Opponent was flying:

Echo+Mini Swarm (w/ Howl)

He set up his Academies in the middle. I set one Defender to the left and right of the map to flank. He set Echo up to the left of the map to take on a Defender. I set Soontir up beside the Defender on the left side of the map.

First round went amazing. 5 forwards and a boost with Soontir. Got a TL with focus for stress on Echo.

Knocked 2 shields of Echo and he had no shots on me. This game couldn't have opened better. Then the next round ended it all. Echo decloaked and go as far away from me as possible. The defender 1 banked and Soontir 2 banked. I BR'd back to get out of arcs. I turtled with Soontir. His swarm 1 turned on me. Soontir got a shot on Echo. 1 focus, the rest blanks; no big deal. Don't spend focus for 1 hit.

Echo to shoot. Hit, Focus, Hit, Blank.

And here is what followed....

9 blanks in a row from Soontir. Nine. Blanks. In. A. Row. Sometimes, it doesn't matter how good your list is, how well your fly, how you have your opponent pinned down. Dice matter.

That is all.

never trust green dice

They whisper sweet nothings into your ear holes...

Red dice are fun, green dice not so much. You're right, sometimes it is a dice game. X-wing fortunately is better than a lot of games in terms of balance and skill reliance but the dice do seem to swing games more than we'd like.

I had an opponent this weekend during a tournament that saw me destroying Echo with two range three shots from a Z-95. His green dice went cold and the rest of his ships went dead. A very quick tabling that had nothing to do with anything other than dice.

I've had a couple of those games go my way, and I've had a couple not go my way. I don't think the situation you described is typical, but I'm not saying freaky stuff doesn't happen either. Isn't that an element of any game that involves dice?

If you had flown better you wouldn't have had to make the defense rolls in the first place.

But you didn't and don't understand the issue from the previous thread that you are deciding to rehash.

If dice were the primary deciding factor in games of X-wing you'd have no real competitive play for this game. You certainly wouldn't have players being able to consistently perform in events. That just doesn't happen in games that heavily hinge on luck.

People that don't know poker think it's about how lucky you are in regards to the cards you are dealt. And yeah sometimes you can win a hand you shouldn't have or lose one you should have won to a bad beat. But in the end the guy that sits down to a poker table thinking it's all about what cards you are dealt is a guy that's going to lose alot of money at poker.

Sometimes you'll whiff a roll, and maybe it will be a critical one. But in the end, especially over the long term, you aren't going to win many games relying on the dice gods instead of making prudent shots, picking the right maneuvers, and having a solid game plan.

If you had flown better you wouldn't have had to make the defense rolls in the first place.

But you didn't and don't understand the issue from the previous thread that you are deciding to rehash.

If dice were the primary deciding factor in games of X-wing you'd have no real competitive play for this game. You certainly wouldn't have players being able to consistently perform in events. That just doesn't happen in games that heavily hinge on luck.

People that don't know poker think it's about how lucky you are in regards to the cards you are dealt. And yeah sometimes you can win a hand you shouldn't have or lose one you should have won to a bad beat. But in the end the guy that sits down to a poker table thinking it's all about what cards you are dealt is a guy that's going to lose alot of money at poker.

Sometimes you'll whiff a roll, and maybe it will be a critical one. But in the end, especially over the long term, you aren't going to win many games relying on the dice gods instead of making prudent shots, picking the right maneuvers, and having a solid game plan.

That right there just reeks of an attack. X-Wing uses dice, there fore is atleast partially a dice game. you cant pray away 2 hits going through agaisnt 5 agility defense. And saying that he is incompetent because he was in a position of "being shot at" is very weak my friend. I have yet to see a game where a single fighter never gets shot at at some point in the match, im sure it does happen but usually people can manage to bring atleast something to bear.

He brings up a valid point. The fact OP had to roll that many die is disconcerting.

Skill is everything, especially if luck is one of your skills*.

*Bonus points for those who get the reference.

On a serious note, X-Wing does use dice which brings in a random factor. However the more skilled you are, the less reliant your game will be on your dice rolls.

That interceptor should never of had to roll that many dice against a swarm. Don't blame dice. Yes, you rolled terribly, it happens. You know what I do when that happens? I reevaluate what I did to get myself shot at, and realize that it was my own fault for flying into a terrible position, especially with my Phantoms and Interceptors. Skill has a LOT to do with this game.

if you believe the dice are all that makes this game, fly lists that negate it as much as possible. Add hull to soontir (this would of been a perfect example you would of still been alive), play buzzsaw shuttles, or get some firesprays with gunners on the table. Don't go blaming things though. Figure out what went wrong and learn from those mistakes.

I have only had one game where I and the opponent knew he only won due to dice. 56 red dice, 3 hits, 4 focuses. Was enough to take Biggs out, and that was all. Only thing that kept me in the game was my flying out of his arcs and my agility dice at least liked me. This hasn't happened since, and don't believe it will during the time I play X-wing.

Learn to fly better.

Cheers!

Skill is everything, especially if luck is one of your skills*.

*Bonus points for those who get the reference.

On a serious note, X-Wing does use dice which brings in a random factor. However the more skilled you are, the less reliant your game will be on your dice rolls.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeesss!

If I had to roll 9 dice in one go with Soontir, I'd re-evaluate my piloting decisions.

Dont like dice? Play Wings of Glory or Sails of Glory then. No dice!

It's called variance and your experimental result fits on the bell curve.

Remembering that particular result and constantly bleating about it is called confirmation bias. You will always think the green dice are against you because you remember the time when they were.

Players should accept the result and move on to their next game, knowing that a green dice still has a 3/8 chance of rolling a blank.

If you had flown better you wouldn't have had to make the defense rolls in the first place.

But you didn't and don't understand the issue from the previous thread that you are deciding to rehash.

If dice were the primary deciding factor in games of X-wing you'd have no real competitive play for this game. You certainly wouldn't have players being able to consistently perform in events. That just doesn't happen in games that heavily hinge on luck.

People that don't know poker think it's about how lucky you are in regards to the cards you are dealt. And yeah sometimes you can win a hand you shouldn't have or lose one you should have won to a bad beat. But in the end the guy that sits down to a poker table thinking it's all about what cards you are dealt is a guy that's going to lose alot of money at poker.

Sometimes you'll whiff a roll, and maybe it will be a critical one. But in the end, especially over the long term, you aren't going to win many games relying on the dice gods instead of making prudent shots, picking the right maneuvers, and having a solid game plan.

That right there just reeks of an attack. X-Wing uses dice, there fore is atleast partially a dice game. you cant pray away 2 hits going through agaisnt 5 agility defense. And saying that he is incompetent because he was in a position of "being shot at" is very weak my friend. I have yet to see a game where a single fighter never gets shot at at some point in the match, im sure it does happen but usually people can manage to bring atleast something to bear.

Yes I am attacking his position and misconceptions on the subject, why is that a problem? I'm not insulting his person in anyway, only disagreeing with his position on this subject.

X-wing does use dice, no where did I dispute that. In fact I made multiple references to the fact that X-wing does have a random component to it, However just because a game includes a random component to it doesn't mean the game is the random component, nor does it mean that the random component is the deciding factor in the majority of games. I even provided an additional example of that.

I'm sorry where did I say or imply that he was incompetent? Not a single place, so I would very much appreciate it if you do not put words in my post. Saying a player could fly better is not in any way calling or implying they are incompetent, nor is suggesting they have the wrong idea about the subject.

Yes, ideally he wouldn't have been in the position to take multiple shots in a round. Perhaps he deemed the position a suitable enough risk to warrant taking. But it didn't pay off that time. Still doesn't mean it's a bad play But again an example of the random element biting you in no way proves that the random element supersedes skill in the overall.

And that's been the OPs position on the subject apparently continuing into this thread. He believes that the existence of a random element supersedes skill and continually misrepresented others posters position that skill still trumps all in the overall as a denial of the random components existence or ability to influence situations.

I love how some people of the X-wing community fail to see the original point of the original post. They are blind the fact that I rolled 9 blanks and just say, "Well, you shouldn't have had to roll that many dice." Seriously, are you all that daft?

It's like they think you should be superman in every game or else you can't play the game. It's like these people's sh*t doesn't stink and they don't have to roll green dice.

They don't even bring green dice to a tournament because they are just that good.

Here it is folks: the high-horse elite!

There's a reason why none of us have posted topics like this before: we're just flat out better at the game than you are.

I love how some people of the X-wing community fail to see the original point of the original post. They are blind the fact that I rolled 9 blanks and just say, "Well, you shouldn't have had to roll that many dice." Seriously, are you all that daft?

It's like they think you should be superman in every game or else you can't play the game. It's like these people's sh*t doesn't stink and they don't have to roll green dice.

They don't even bring green dice to a tournament because they are just that good.

Here it is folks: the high-horse elite!

No, that isn't the point. You are complaining about bad dice and that you rolled horribly against lower PS pilots with an agile fighter. This shouldn't of happened on the second turn of combat, you had the upper hand here and you failed to take it, then you blamed the random part of the game. Yes dice matter, but you shouldn't be relying on dice that early on with Fel. So, yes people will attack your flying skills. My post was stating, that you should step back and see where you could improve. Then if you seem to have a lot of games like this, it might be better to get ships that are not as reliant on the dice mechanic or can modify them to be in your favor.

You are playing the victim in every one of your posts or attacking others. So people will either show you how you can make it better or attack you back. That is just plain logical.

dance with an expertly flown super echo, super soontir fel and super phennir, or super jax, and see what kind of luck game you can mount, capitan bitchface........ this is for all those who think that skill has nothing to do with the game, so far as I can tell those three can become the best dancers that the rules of the game has devised to allow.

No, we just understand that extreme variance is apart of the game. We look for ways to mitigate it, but we don't dwell on it. We certainly don't believe it's existence undermines the skill of the game.

You keep doing it Ribann. You do not understand that simply putting play skill at the top of the list of "Reasons you win at X-wing" isn't denying that there are other things on the list. Match-ups can matter, luck can matter. But play skill, especially when looking in the overall, trumps both those things.

You have an example where you feel that lady luck spurned you in spite of your superior play. Even taking the leap that you are correct in that, it still says not a darn thing about the importance of play skill inherent in the overall game of X-wing.

I don't think you want to have an actual conversation on the topic, so please just hurry up and call us all fat losers like you did in the other thread so we can be done with it.

Nah bro, but thanks. Cheers!

dance with an expertly flown super echo, super soontir fel and super phennir, or super jax, and see what kind of luck game you can mount, capitan bitchface........ this is for all those who think that skill has nothing to do with the game, so far as I can tell those three can become the best dancers that the rules of the game has devised to allow.

granted that vader makes it 5 of the best dancers of death in the game, follow the blade of truth, arc dodge means no green dice. range one means extra red dice... and everything that stacks your piloting in your favor negates your opponents skill. so learn from it, I favor squints, so your arguments against me for low flying skill are invalid.

One game, with limited information, is raw data and evidence?

But the number of players that consistently perform well at this game competitively, isn't? Or the number of examples of other games that while having a random competent (dice, card draws, etc) have similar showings, isn't?

Ok, sure, if you say so.

So far I rate this thread 3/10, and only because it's worth a few chuckles.

this forum is starting to seem more petty than i had expected.