That's a rare roll. About 1 in 10k. But you picked a 3 ship list with very little durability. Not as bad as 3 Interceptors, but your list itself couldn't handle bad rolls. That's called bad list design as well as sloppy play. There are statistical outliers. They happen. Proper planning, skill, and list design will see you through most occurences of it. You had some bad rolls. Get over it. Fly smart, don't take risks with ships that can't handle bad green rolls.

Played a game on Vassal last night with an Alpha and an Academy pilot both who had K-Turned were at range 1 of Wes Janson with 2 hull left and I got all blanks an focus for 7 rolls, plus Howlrunner re-rolls. I almost woke my kids up screaming at the screen! LOL... and then I flew casually, calmed down, and ended up winning the game....

His original post may have been a continuation of something else that had more vitriol, but this post didn't come off that way at all, and you all need to grow up. Let's be a better community and stop raising post counts just to be forum celebrities.

Just went through this post on break. Man that escalated quickly! !

Lol. good work gents, I've been sufficiently entertained.

Dice oddities happen, I had a game run 2 hours with a total of 3 damage dealt between all ships on both forces. At that point we gave up and played a video game instead. Thing is this is the exception, not the rule, and most games are mostly skill of the players with a little luck to shake things up. I would also point out to our poster that the "friendly invitation" to play was insulting the person he is trying to make "friends" with. Further playing on vassel is not more social than playing in person at your FLGS. Oh, and before you ask me to skype and vassel, I am on my cellphone, don't have a computer that can run that.

But how can you assert that if you don't hold play skill as paramount to success in X-wing?!

He said the same thing to me in the other thread, which as you point out really ruins his argument.

I mean even if someone where to play him, based on his own argument, all that would prove is who is the most lucky, because skill is not the deciding factor.

The mere fact he resorts to such a pathetic excuse of an argument like this, is proof he doesn't actually believe it, or else he'd never make the statement in the first place.

Either X-Wing is all luck, in which case win or lose doesn't matter so he has at best a even chance of winning, or else skill does matter in which case his whole argument is moot.

Either way, I put him on ignore half way though the last thread... I find this thread is a lot more enjoyable that way.

Actions are intended to make you less reliant on luck. That's why proper flying is important in the first place. But then again, bad rolls can happen, and will happen. As many times you have good rolls but you just forget about it because humans work that way (and useful, except when you want to study probability).

Anyways it is a small scale game, a few rolls can decide a game, that's why you need to cut as much as you can the luck involved in the process. Why do you think fat han is a consistent performer ? He is the epytome of avoiding bad luck or correcting bad rolls.

Oh also, the whole premise of the OP is completely and utterly false.

No one has ever claimed that skill is the everything because anyone with half a brain knows that if there's dice in the game, then dice will be a factor.

If you could completely remove dice as an factor... There's be no point in having them.

If wanted a game that random chance had zero effect on the outcome, I'd play chess. But for me and I'd dare say most of us, the dice are part of the reason why we're playing the game in the first place.

I think dice luck becomes most frustrating when you know you are playing better than your opponent.

If you are similar skill and lose to dice luck, you can be upset but then shrug it off and know you could just as easily win next time.

But if you know you are the superior player, and your opponent keeps making mistakes but has the dice bail them out, it can make you go crazy.

If wanted a game that random chance had zero effect on the outcome, I'd play chess. But for me and I'd dare say most of us, the dice are part of the reason why we're playing the game in the first place.

Hey, i play because i like the maneuver "poker" style. I find that the most rewarding part of the game.

Hey, i play because i like the maneuver "poker" style. I find that the most rewarding part of the game.

I do too actually. One of the things I love, perhaps the most important is how it simulates a Star Wars style dog fight... and a big part of that is the "poker" style maneuver system.

But that wouldn't be quite so effective without random chance being part of the game.

Ribann, there's an old debater's saying: When the debater stoops to personal insults, it's a sure sign that he's (or she's) losing the debate. You will be more well-regarded if you stop being so thin-skinned and defensive. You are consistently the most unpleasant person on this board, and I've just started scrolling past your posts, because they always seem to devolve in the same way: you start name-calling and predicting that you'll wreck everyone on Vassal.

Please stop taking disagreement as a personal attack. And take this in the spirit intended; as the perception of someone who reads these boards, but doesn't often comment. In other words, I have no dog in this fight, and am just telling you what I see.

Oooh, shaming people on the internet for being antisocial. How novel! What's next, accusations of virginity?

Come on, aren't all Orks virgins...? They are like born from a pit of alchemy, right? No sexy involved.

Some guys on here like Wonder and Vorpel and Scottie and many others have no idea what it is like to get to know someone over X-wing. They are here to flout their opinion of the game, put others down, and stay forever alone.

That's a good way to get them out of the ivory tower.

Ribann, there's an old debater's saying: When the debater stoops to personal insults, it's a sure sign that he's (or she's) losing the debate. You will be more well-regarded if you stop being so thin-skinned and defensive. You are consistently the most unpleasant person on this board, and I've just started scrolling past your posts, because they always seem to devolve in the same way: you start name-calling and predicting that you'll wreck everyone on Vassal.

Please stop taking disagreement as a personal attack. And take this in the spirit intended; as the perception of someone who reads these boards, but doesn't often comment. In other words, I have no dog in this fight, and am just telling you what I see.

+1 Agreed

True story

I was playing a game on vassal the other day. For the entire game I rolled 8 out of 9 evades which REALLY pissed off my opponent, and after my (which ended up being my last) defensive roll of 3/3 evades I got an FU from him.

The thing is, the ship he was attacking, even if I rolled average evades would be still be alive, plus that ship never fired again that game so either way me rolling great evades had very little impact on him losing the game, but not in his eyes.

True story

I was playing a game on vassal the other day. For the entire game I rolled 8 out of 9 evades which REALLY pissed off my opponent, and after my (which ended up being my last) defensive roll of 3/3 evades I got an FU from him.

The thing is, the ship he was attacking, even if I rolled average evades would be still be alive, plus that ship never fired again that game so either way me rolling great evades had very little impact on him losing the game, but not in his eyes.

True story

I was playing a game on vassal the other day. For the entire game I rolled 8 out of 9 evades which REALLY pissed off my opponent, and after my (which ended up being my last) defensive roll of 3/3 evades I got an FU from him.

The thing is, the ship he was attacking, even if I rolled average evades would be still be alive, plus that ship never fired again that game so either way me rolling great evades had very little impact on him losing the game, but not in his eyes.

That's why old fashioned face-to-face table top gaming is still the preferred method of playing this game. Say FU to me in real life for rolling 8/9 evades, and see where that gets you. Anonymity can embolden some to say things they normally wouldn't.

Of course it does... thats why they are called "internet tough guys" lol.

Which is why I invite anyone on these boards to play a game on Vassal with me over Skype. Most of you all wouldn't do it.

I can't speak for others, but I don't play on Vassal because I find the program too much of a hassle to figure out. I've got friends I play with almost every week, face to face, so there's really no motivation for me to try and get it working.

Also, having played many an online game, I'm not convinced that voice chat removes the internet tough guy thing.

Ribann, I was trying to help. But you see everything in terms of personal attacks. A little more self-awareness would go a long way.

And by the way, I won't respond to the inevitable attack that will surely follow this post; I know a lost cause when I see one.

Anyone who has seen Fel one shot would not argue that luck is a part of this game. I have done it far too many times. (I felt really bad for the guy, especially the one time 5 Def dice came up blank)

But it is far away not the biggest factor in this game. There are many more gameplay decisions that affect the game outcome than merely dice. Heck, even maneuvering is only one part. Action and target choice are both big factors in how skill affects the game.

That there seem to be people who are taking this online argument a bit too personally is silly.

Sometimes you draw 7 mana in a row in a game of magic... you can't get mad about it. It IS in part a game of chance. No one denies that.

Luck can make/break a game, but most of the time it will break even (anyone with statistic knowledge knows this).

You can't be mad cause the dice were against you.... chance is a part of life. Next time don't expect that you will be okay when people are shooting at you, that ship is SHOOTING AT YOU it wants you dead, it has the means, it could happen. Some of the best soldiers die in war. Not because they are unskilled, but because the enemy had the oppritunity, took it, and killed them.

That's life.

Don't say the game only rewards luck,

Don't say the game only rewards skill.

The only way you can expect to stay alive is by not giving them the chance to shoot at you.

I've gone back and forth on the dice vs. skill debate and I am currently in the "it's a dice game" camp. I have no time to practice and when I play I am pretty rusty. Wonderwaaagh may chime in as my most recent opponent but I seem to win or lose on the opponents green dice. He's a far better pilot than I but when the dice are cold you can't beat the dice.

I've gone back and forth on the dice vs. skill debate and I am currently in the "it's a dice game" camp. I have no time to practice and when I play I am pretty rusty. Wonderwaaagh may chime in as my most recent opponent but I seem to win or lose on the opponents green dice. He's a far better pilot than I but when the dice are cold you can't beat the dice.

And this is the exact same issue with Warhammer; you can have the perfect strtegy, and plan the perfect trap but if the dice are cold... youre screwed.

I've gone back and forth on the dice vs. skill debate and I am currently in the "it's a dice game" camp. I have no time to practice and when I play I am pretty rusty. Wonderwaaagh may chime in as my most recent opponent but I seem to win or lose on the opponents green dice. He's a far better pilot than I but when the dice are cold you can't beat the dice.

And this is the exact same issue with Warhammer; you can have the perfect strtegy, and plan the perfect trap but if the dice are cold... youre screwed.