seriously doubtful. they have made no hints to the idea of another faction.. and I would be disappointed if they did add one.. but that's just me.. and I'm more vocal about it than most..

A third faction could work easily by simply having them as allies to both sides, the empire uses bounty hunters and the rebel scum has dealing with smugglers and pirates, then when a few waves are out you can field them on their own.

There isn't an unlimited number of fighters for the two factions we have but options open up when you consider hutt cartels and the like.

There has to be some sort of Godwin like rule for X-Wing:

"As an online X-Wing discussion grows longer, the probability of a proverbial third faction derailing the discussion approaches 1."

Why do so many people think there must be more to Wave 5?

Because addiction.

Havnt read the whole thread, but what about

they announce a 3rd fraction and then it will be 1 rebel, 1 imperial and 1 3rd fraction ship in future waves

with everyone on about a 3rd fraction, it will happen in the end

Mo-wah... ibbie-jibbies-zoo-cha!

Ewoks are happy about it too.

YUB-Yup!

Looking through patox's thread on predictions for GenCon, I'm surprised to find so many posters expecting to see two more ships released as part of Wave 5.

And I'm genuinely curious: what's the evidence for this? I think FFG's been fairly explicit about the fact that Wave 5 consists of two ships, but have I missed something?

Every wave has featured four ships so far. We're pattern-seeking creatures.

The wording of the Wave V announcement doesn't explicitly rule out the possibility of more ships being released in this wave (unless the wording has been changed, or some other announcement has been made).

I'm not going to speculate either way, but if this really is just part of Wave V, it makes some sense to stretch out the announcements to keep the buzz, uh, buzzing.

The wording of the Wave V announcement doesn't explicitly rule out the possibility of more ships being released in this wave...

Here's a line from the Stay on Target article.

Recently, we revealed that the fifth wave of starship expansions for X-Wing™ consists of two heavily shielded, large-base starships.

That seems pretty explicit to me. Wave 5 consists of 2 ships.

Plus that, you have to answer the Why. Why would FFG only release the info on half a wave? People bring up how every wave has been 4 ships, but every wave has announced all the ships at the same time, so either way something is different this time.

There is no reason that I can think of for them only to tease half the wave. No one is going to buy more ships if they announce the other two later. They have no lack of things to generate buzz with. They have again no reason I can think of to only talk about half a wave.

There is also the matter of several people commenting on how retailers get the order forms for new products about the same time as the preview comes out. If wave 5 had more ships, retailers would have told us that there was more wave 5 stuff to order. Nobody seems to want to listen to that evidence though.

The wording of the Wave V announcement doesn't explicitly rule out the possibility of more ships being released in this wave...

Here's a line from the Stay on Target article.

Recently, we revealed that the fifth wave of starship expansions for X-Wing™ consists of two heavily shielded, large-base starships.

That seems pretty explicit to me. Wave 5 consists of 2 ships.

Plus that, you have to answer the Why. Why would FFG only release the info on half a wave? People bring up how every wave has been 4 ships, but every wave has announced all the ships at the same time, so either way something is different this time.

There is no reason that I can think of for them only to tease half the wave. No one is going to buy more ships if they announce the other two later. They have no lack of things to generate buzz with. They have again no reason I can think of to only talk about half a wave.

Not sure I agree with you. If I told you my fruit basket consists of two Texas grapefruits, large, does that mean I don't have any Ruby Red grapefruits, small?

The exhibition consists of 180 drawing. It also consists of 20 sculptures.

Synonyms

It contains 2 heavily shielded ships. It includes 2 heavily shielded ships. It incorporates two heavily shielded ships.

None of those words are definitive to me.

Now if it said it 'only consists of...' that is definitive.

Granted I don't really expect there to be 2 more ships but that comment from my friend has my hopes up.

Plus we know their articles aren't 100% accurate. The article on Echo refers to him as a 'he' but the FAQ is a 'she'.

For a while the article about Jan Ors said she has to be on two separate ships and then they edited it.

Anyways don't want to argue about the English language... Just my opinion. Your always welcome to yours. If I'm right or wrong it doesn't make a different in the long run.

Apparently it's very difficult for people to separate wishful thinking from the logic centers of their brain. That seems to sum up the issues with all the redundant threads around here, to include huge ship speculation, additional factions, prequel ships, etc.

The wording of the Wave V announcement doesn't explicitly rule out the possibility of more ships being released in this wave...

Here's a line from the Stay on Target article.

Recently, we revealed that the fifth wave of starship expansions for X-Wing™ consists of two heavily shielded, large-base starships.

That seems pretty explicit to me. Wave 5 consists of 2 ships.

Plus that, you have to answer the Why. Why would FFG only release the info on half a wave? People bring up how every wave has been 4 ships, but every wave has announced all the ships at the same time, so either way something is different this time.

There is no reason that I can think of for them only to tease half the wave. No one is going to buy more ships if they announce the other two later. They have no lack of things to generate buzz with. They have again no reason I can think of to only talk about half a wave.

Not sure I agree with you. If I told you my fruit basket consists of two Texas grapefruits, large, does that mean I don't have any Ruby Red grapefruits, small?

The exhibition consists of 180 drawing. It also consists of 20 sculptures.

Synonyms

It contains 2 heavily shielded ships. It includes 2 heavily shielded ships. It incorporates two heavily shielded ships.

None of those words are definitive to me.

Now if it said it 'only consists of...' that is definitive.

Granted I don't really expect there to be 2 more ships but that comment from my friend has my hopes up.

Plus we know their articles aren't 100% accurate. The article on Echo refers to him as a 'he' but the FAQ is a 'she'.

For a while the article about Jan Ors said she has to be on two separate ships and then they edited it.

Anyways don't want to argue about the English language... Just my opinion. Your always welcome to yours. If I'm right or wrong it doesn't make a different in the long run.

Kind of what consist means really... yes I does also mean include... but then they would have mentioned the other 2... they didn't, so gonna go with.. consist equaling.. the ones in it.. really..it's just 2 ships..

Humans are pattern recognition engines and the need for our brains to fit things into a recognized pattern is really the primary cause of much of the worlds suffering. Four waves each of four ships (including some that had other large ships) established a strong pattern in people's minds and some just can't get past that.

Really nothing more to it than that.

even though i'm going a bit off topic, the reason for pattern recognition is for the evolution of our survival that's given us the fight or flight instincts

and this even works in facial recognition patterns for allowing us to read people just by looking at them to make a quick determination if the person is trustworthy or likely up to no good.. "trust your instincts, they will serve you well"

Yeah, I wasn't trying to say that us being pattern recognition machines was a BAD thing. It is absolutely vital to our sucess and survival as a species, even still today. But it does lead to an annoying number of false positives.

Wasn't there a thread awhile back that showed the product skus or something from ffg and how there were gaps missing even with rebel aces and the 2 new ships coming out? I may have read it wrong but I do remember something to that effect. That may be why some think there are more ships going to be released.

Yes, that may be a factor.

In fact, for a while, it looked like there were skus for 4 wave 5 ships and 2 imperial huge ships.

Has anyone even brought up the fact the Imperial Aces, Rebel Transport, Tantive IV and Rebel Aces aren't even part of a wave?

What is going on here? It's blowing my mind.

It has been mentioned and hinted at. I mean if one considers both of the "Aces" as "early Wave 5 releases" you'd suddenly have your four product "wave" that many seem to expect.

Just because all waves so far have been 4 ships releases, but a 1 ship release is not considered a wave, does not mean a 2 ship release is not considered wave.

If I told you my fruit basket consists of two Texas grapefruits, large, does that mean I don't have any Ruby Red grapefruits, small?

Yes actually, using the term consists of, would in fact mean that your basket only has 2 large grapefruits in it. That's what the term means.

Unless it is qualified

Such and such consists of mostly....

for example.

But if it is just "Consists of". then yeah, it pretty much means that is the entirety of its contents

Or some people have been trying to work the social engineering angle, and have asked if there are only two ships in wave 5, but are hitting NDA roadblocks from playtesters.

Or redundant and incompetent replies to said posts stating how much they just can't deal with recycled topics.

Are you implying that my observation about the correlation between wishful thinking and the wave 5 misunderstandings are completely unoriginal, or were you trying to make a broader statement?

Wasn't there a thread awhile back that showed the product skus or something from ffg and how there were gaps missing even with rebel aces and the 2 new ships coming out? I may have read it wrong but I do remember something to that effect. That may be why some think there are more ships going to be released.

SKUs--

• SWX16: Z-95 Headhunter
• SWX17: TIE Defender
• SWX18: E-wing
• SWX19: TIE Phantom
• SWX20: Starfield Tiles
• SWX21: Imperial Aces
• SWX22: Tantive IV
• SWX23: YT-2400
• SWX24: VT-49 Decimator
• SWX25: ?
• SWX26: ?
• SWX27: ?
• SWX28: ?
• SWX29: Rebel Aces

Or some people have been trying to work the social engineering angle, and have asked if there are only two ships in wave 5, but are hitting NDA roadblocks from playtesters.

Wouldn't you expect anyone covered by an NDA to either evade or stonewall in response to almost any question about new releases, though? It doesn't seem like evidence for anything either way.

Wasn't there a thread awhile back that showed the product skus or something from ffg and how there were gaps missing even with rebel aces and the 2 new ships coming out? I may have read it wrong but I do remember something to that effect. That may be why some think there are more ships going to be released.

SKUs--

• SWX16: Z-95 Headhunter
• SWX17: TIE Defender
• SWX18: E-wing
• SWX19: TIE Phantom
• SWX20: Starfield Tiles
• SWX21: Imperial Aces
• SWX22: Tantive IV
• SWX23: YT-2400
• SWX24: VT-49 Decimator
• SWX25: ?
• SWX26: ?
• SWX27: ?
• SWX28: ?
• SWX29: Rebel Aces

Or some people have been trying to work the social engineering angle, and have asked if there are only two ships in wave 5, but are hitting NDA roadblocks from playtesters.

Wouldn't you expect anyone covered by an NDA to either evade or stonewall in response to almost any question about new releases, though? It doesn't seem like evidence for anything either way.

I'm calling it, those four blanks are wave 6 and the imp huge ships are higher numbers

Here's a line from the Stay on Target article.

Recently, we revealed that the fifth wave of starship expansions for X-Wing™ consists of two heavily shielded, large-base starships.

That seems pretty explicit to me. Wave 5 consists of 2 ships.

Sure does. I hadn't read that article yet.