People have suggested there be more factions in this game, I agree, but instead of the matches turning into Dark Matter vs Rebs or IMPs vs SC ect, how about the other factions be a supportive/attacker encounter faction that the IMP and REB player gets to use.

In Battle Fleet Gothic there was lots of random chance encounters involving a random non-majority fleet jumping into the battle. When the enter the battle it can be from any point on the table, even some times next to the players fleet even if your three rounds in.

How it would play is this other factions ships would be controlled by both players durning there movement and attack phase. In this game it could have it so each phase only one player gets to use the third faction. Or the forces r split and used by both players at the same time, it can not agttack its own forces however. Hell depending on the misdion you could have lots more than three factions fighting.

They could make all the other factions ships be carded bases OR they could use models. I hope for the 2nd option because Dark Sun and ZC have lots of very awesome looking craft.

Even with that spin on it, it's still Imps vs Rebs.. and therefore redundant. New factions aren't needed in this game, it's always been good guys vs bad guys.. don't mean to be a wet towel on your thoughts, but these 3rd faction threads just seem to say the same things.. and if FFG were gonna include one, they should have done it from the start..

Ifnthey devote a wave to in now, then imps and rebs don't get new ships.. and.. a new faction may not sell well overall, as possibly many people won't purchase them because they only play one side or the other.. or like me.. I don't care about black sun or the happans... it's about the rebels and imperials..

FFG is in thisnto make money.. a 3rd faction isn't really a huge money maker fornthem, and they can build those ships under imp or reb colors and still make a profit..

Bottom line, a 3rd faction is not a guarantee of sales .. at best it's a novelty that gains minimal sales, and won't be worth a second print run.. (and honestly if it doesn't bring better than that why bother)

Just saw this thread, seconds after I'd posted an identical one... oops :-S please forgive me Black Night Leader :-P

Just saw this thread, seconds after I'd posted an identical one... oops :-S please forgive me Black Night Leader :-P

Yours doesn't discuss the mysterious Ect Faction, though, so you're probably safe.

The Evil Ect Empire (AKA the EEE) or EEEEE! as the battle cry goes.

The great empire of eee started when they discovered the magic of E.

The Evil Ect Empire (AKA the EEE) or EEEEE! as the battle cry goes.

The great empire of eee started when they discovered the magic of E.

I could be wrong... but I sware I've played against that bearded fella at my local gaming store...

Maybe the Ewoks?

Maybe the Ewoks?

I confess there's a certain appeal to the thought of them getting squished underfoot by AT-ATs and AT-STs in a vehicle-and-infantry ground-based miniatures game....

Er, I mean, oh yes! How I ADORE Ewoks, and the valuable (and highly marketable) contribution they made to the end of the original Star Wars movie trilogy! Yes, an Ewok faction please!

Even with that spin on it, it's still Imps vs Rebs.. and therefore redundant. New factions aren't needed in this game, it's always been good guys vs bad guys.. don't mean to be a wet towel on your thoughts, but these 3rd faction threads just seem to say the same things.. and if FFG were gonna include one, they should have done it from the start..

Ifnthey devote a wave to in now, then imps and rebs don't get new ships.. and.. a new faction may not sell well overall, as possibly many people won't purchase them because they only play one side or the other.. or like me.. I don't care about black sun or the happans... it's about the rebels and imperials..

FFG is in thisnto make money.. a 3rd faction isn't really a huge money maker fornthem, and they can build those ships under imp or reb colors and still make a profit..

Bottom line, a 3rd faction is not a guarantee of sales .. at best it's a novelty that gains minimal sales, and won't be worth a second print run.. (and honestly if it doesn't bring better than that why bother)

Hey I see where this is going "good vs bad" the Imperials are not bad, its got some bad people in it but the majority is good. Besides going by the Guild of Calamitous Intent guide lines the fighting is between the "Protagonist and Antagonist" using the Terms "Good vs Bad/Evil" can be rude. =p

Two things they can do.

1) Just use card bord popouts with ships to rep the other factions. This could come with more dice, cards, and the most uptodate rules. This would be helpful for people who cant print the updated rules or even look at them, 360 wont load the page with new rules.

It should also come with crap loads of new tokens and a book full of new story based missions and material needed to do long story based campaigns.

2) They could sell minis for B.S. Z.C. and other factions and use the fact they will come with new cards of all kinds as bait to get good sales. To be honest those two faction main group of fighters look really cool, cooler than all the other non imp reb factions fighters, I can see almost half the X-Wing fans buying the minis because they want to collect those ships.

I wish all the tournaments actully used more story based missions instead of just straight forward fighting,

Just saw this thread, seconds after I'd posted an identical one... oops :-S please forgive me Black Night Leader :-P

Its ok but to make up for your mistake you need to get me 26 Stealth device cards and Heavy Laser Cannons

Naaa. the Imps are the good guys.. it's those nasty rebels that are the bad guys....

Honestly I just don't see a need for any other factions.. and I don't see the sales being such that it will be a profit for them.. but, it seems, everyone will keep asking about it..

Naaa. the Imps are the good guys.. it's those nasty rebels that are the bad guys....

Honestly I just don't see a need for any other factions.. and I don't see the sales being such that it will be a profit for them.. but, it seems, everyone will keep asking about it..

For me the 2nd biggest reason to buy them is because there is no other way to collect these ships. I really really want a Star Viper or the fighters in Zanns fleet!!! Hell I want to see more stories with the Zann faction at war with one of the Imperial Fleets. It would be a good way to show that the Empire is full of good people by having them fight A very dangerous and EVIL highly organized EVIL REB force. We can joke around about the Reb Alliance being evil, thereare bad factions in it BUT ZC is super Evil in that his end game is to kill just about every major faction, the only faction I think he had no problem with was the Corp sector but I doubt they wouldnt be attacked.

They could have major fleet conflicts in the northern sector of the galaxy, you know what I mean. They are just a very cool enemy that should be used more., Zann himself is a cool character, heard he is based on a character in Harry Potter.

Bottom line, a 3rd faction is not a guarantee of sales .. at best it's a novelty that gains minimal sales, and won't be worth a second print run.. (and honestly if it doesn't bring better than that why bother)

And you're basing this statement on what evidence, exactly? No seriously, I'd like to see exactly how you arrived at this rather surprising conclusion.

Honestly I just don't see a need for any other factions.. and I don't see the sales being such that it will be a profit for them.. but, it seems, everyone will keep asking about it..

Ah, nevermind, I see now - it's not informed and researched market analysis, it's just good ol' fashioned personal opinion. However as you have yourself correctly pointed out, the subject does keep on raising it's head on these here forums... that's certainly indicative of something...

For me the 2nd biggest reason to buy them is because there is no other way to collect these ships. I really really want a Star Viper or the fighters in Zanns fleet!!!

First: IMO, the Zann Consortium was a silly addition to the (pre-Disney) EU--suddenly we have a crime syndicate fielding military-grade infantry? They take over entire planets not through corruption and subtlety but through main military force? Where are they getting the people to complete with the actual Empire? Why did Palpatine allow their existence at all? Fortunately, AFAIK it only ever appeared in a single video game, so it's easy to ignore.

Second: My memory is a bit fuzzy on this point, but weren't most of the Zann units stolen from the Empire anyway? I know they had TIE Fighters and TIE Defenders.

For me the 2nd biggest reason to buy them is because there is no other way to collect these ships. I really really want a Star Viper or the fighters in Zanns fleet!!!

First: IMO, the Zann Consortium was a silly addition to the (pre-Disney) EU--suddenly we have a crime syndicate fielding military-grade infantry? They take over entire planets not through corruption and subtlety but through main military force? Where are they getting the people to complete with the actual Empire? Why did Palpatine allow their existence at all? Fortunately, AFAIK it only ever appeared in a single video game, so it's easy to ignore.Second: My memory is a bit fuzzy on this point, but weren't most of the Zann units stolen from the Empire anyway? I know they had TIE Fighters and TIE Defenders.

1). The ZC took control of planets with full military force as well as using corruption of important officaials, kidnapping, sabotage, and bribery. The ZC is made up of the SW galaxies antisocial or unjustly disposed, as well as mercs, people with isues with every other faction, last but not lest what amounts to slaves, people that have lost there true rights because there social elite are willing working for the ZC because of the bribes given them, or fear of death.

The reason Palpatine alows these guys to exist is the, same reason he allowed the creation of the RA or having corrupt high ranking imps stil serve him even though he knows they have plans to kill him.

He has a very detailed plan for his himself and his empire. He has two primary goals. Live forever and create a empire that will last forever even if he can not live forever. There werre plenty. Of reb groups that were bad, that didn't join the RA , that emperor used for imp propaganda. With it the people that the emperor would want to populate the majority of the imperial military. Those people would be loyal to the emperor and th empire. He wouldn't get those people to willingly join or have good resavations about the empire if he forced them to join, or they didn't have legit evil threats too civialized space. He did want corrupt self serving imperials to end up being the majority of the empire because then it would fail. So far going by legends and thenew disney wars the empire is still alive.

Just an example of what I'm talking about he knew tarken would try to take over the galaxy and kill the emperor with the death star, hense why lots of corrupt imps and vader was stationed to the death star and why he agreed to have the first ds built the way it was. He knew the rebs would destroy it killing those imps, at the same time causing masive damagetoo the RA, AND politically giving a reason to get the imperial war machine rolling in high gear, also having companies and industries nationalized thus why by ROTJ the whole IMP fleet is well over 3 mill in size, not counting starfighters and support craft.

2) Sorry back too ZC, they are backed by Mando Motors, I'M thinking they were ether bribed, threatend, or legitly hate the Empire, I think the last one, so they build very high grade military cap ships and fighters. One of most powerful cap ships used by the ZC was the Keldase battle ships clas. It was stolen from KDY I think. MandalMotors builds a lot of. These ships for them.

The zc uses any ships and weapons they steal, BUT since they have the above corp in there control they have Star Vipers, and in limited numbers I think compaired to dark sun, the

They got Kihraxz light fighters, Vaksai, Supa Fighter, and the Rihkxyrk Assault Fighter. If you don't know those fighter check them out they look freaking awesome although Dark Sun uses them more I think.

The Emperor has done a lot but I don't feel like talking about unles you ask.

Bottom line, a 3rd faction is not a guarantee of sales .. at best it's a novelty that gains minimal sales, and won't be worth a second print run.. (and honestly if it doesn't bring better than that why bother)

And you're basing this statement on what evidence, exactly? No seriously, I'd like to see exactly how you arrived at this rather surprising conclusion.

Honestly I just don't see a need for any other factions.. and I don't see the sales being such that it will be a profit for them.. but, it seems, everyone will keep asking about it..

Ah, nevermind, I see now - it's not informed and researched market analysis, it's just good ol' fashioned personal opinion. However as you have yourself correctly pointed out, the subject does keep on raising it's head on these here forums... that's certainly indicative of something...

You know.. honestly, my biggest thought for reason is simple... we here on this site are rather well informed people, you and others are well read in the books (I have read a lot of them as well) and we know a lot about the EU. We know about a lot of this stuff but the average gamer or the family that picks it up for fun doesn't know what we know. So when they see stuff they have no clue anout, they are less likely to purchase.. and seriously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that not everyone here likes the idea of a 3rd faction...

Also when you ask someone a question, dont make it sound like you have done the research on the subject and imply that you know more.. I know you haven't and it makes you sound condescending.. and that doesn't help your argument nor does it help with keeping a civil discussion.. and it doesn't make you smarter either.. it's all opinion...

I've noticed lately a trend of a few peope to make attacks on someone because they didn't like the idea that was proposed. You're one of these people.. I generally have no issue with most people here, but this is making people wonder what kind of place this is. Typically this is a friendly place to be, but there is a small group that are antagonistic and rude. It needs to stop. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you get to belittle someone...

I try to keep discussions friendly, even if I disagree, and am willing to admit when I'm wrong if it can be proven out.

This is a friendly board usually, we should keep it that way.

Remember... this board is a small sampling of the global community.. not the majority.

I don't want a third faction. I want 5-6 ships that are factionless and can be played on either side. Some sort of mercenary group, as it were.

I don't want a third faction. I want 5-6 ships that are factionless and can be played on either side. Some sort of mercenary group, as it were.

I could live with this idea, but still not sure.. good idea though

On another note, I wonder how long it will take to run out of plausible fighters and smaller support craft that are directly related to Imperial or Rebel Alliance/New Republic? There is a limit, we all know it but then what? How far into the ABY era will they go? Will we see the XJ series of X Wing?

I was researching the Zann Consortium, excluding the Rihkxyrk and Star Viper, the other Dark Sun Fighters are not common in the ZC. So my solution is this, Give the ZC the higer PS and point costed versions of the same fighters the BS use. Youll see BS forces have larger swarms because of there point cost.

And on that note there is an upgrade only the ZC fleet should get. In the stories the ZC bought up crap loads of buzz droid and programmed them to swarm over every version of there fighters and attack anything that gets close to them.

I think they should get the option for two diffrent kinds of buzz droid. The buzzdroid scrapper causes 1 point of damge if the ZC ship base makes contact with an enemy without shields.

Buzz droid saboteur does the above except removies one system or upgrade or 2ndary weapon or crew or astromech.

For the love of everything holy

Do we really need 20-30 different threads taking about a third faction

If you want to discuss it let's keep it to one of the 25 threads.

Not start a new one

Not going to happen

I purpose an unlike button

For the love of everything holy

Do we really need 20-30 different threads taking about a third faction

If you want to discuss it let's keep it to one of the 25 threads.

Not start a new one

Not going to happen

I purpose an unlike button

I started this theme for topics first, besides if you red it you'll see its a bit diffrent.

The other factions wil happen, have a nice day...

No, they won't... follow some of the other threads where we describe exactly how they are not necessary.

I prefer to keep my good Empire versus the Evil Terrorist scum Rebels!

No, they won't... follow some of the other threads where we describe exactly how they are not necessary.

They will, I have looked over the other threads lots of the "logic" used agianst there being other factions is bad logic.

As I posted before the game is a bit stale with it just being a staright forward battle during comp play. They need more storybased / alternate objectivebased matches for both comp and free play.

The story missions need to be detailed and fun as well, so far only mission 7 is fun the others are also boring.

No, they won't... follow some of the other threads where we describe exactly how they are not necessary.

They will, I have looked over the other threads lots of the "logic" used agianst there being other factions is bad logic.

As I posted before the game is a bit stale with it just being a staright forward battle during comp play. They need more storybased / alternate objectivebased matches for both comp and free play.

The story missions need to be detailed and fun as well, so far only mission 7 is fun the others are also boring.

So is most of the "logic" saying there will be. I take that back...most of what I have heard really doesn't follow logic at all.

LOOK!! LOOK!! Jabbas palace on boba fetts card art! NEW FACTION IMMINENT!!! Intimidation has some kind of Hutt fighter! They mentioned black sun and Zaan consortium!! NEW FACTION!! NEW FACTION!!!

As I have states numerous times here is the crux of the argument.

Precedent doesn't support it. Smuggled, pirates, and bounty Hunters already exist in the 2 factions we have. Why can't we incorporate these "fringe" type ships into the existing factions as has already been done?

There are many of us that, for various reasons, don't want to start a new fleet from scratch to be able to enjoy new content.

Current factions could grow stale as ffg would have to pour excess development resources into this new faction to make it competitive with the current ones. Yes new card upgrades would be compatible...but see argument 2. New imp and reb ships could slow to a crawl.

Please point out the "bad logic" in points 1 and 3. What is the issue with folding the "fringe" shops some of you want so badly into existing factions, AS HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE?!

If it aint broke don't fix it.

With you on wanting to see more missions though...