Has anyone else noticed in their playthroughs of this game that there MAY be a correllation between character attributes and types of encounters?

Take my subject heading as my example and please list ones that your group has encountered. I noticed while trying to get rid of a BUMMER of a Mythos card that stops you from closing gates that our problem was that both of my investigators (Shaman/Soldier) had an observation of 2 and the Mythos card (as well as the clue sites nearby) continuously asked for observation tests and were on sea spaces.

I have not played enough of this game and I certainly haven't delved deeply into statistics (If I were going to put that much effort into a game I'd just MAKE my own and be done with it!) so I'm not saying this always happens but for our group there seems to be a lot of correllation between character attributes and encounter types. (Sea/City/Wilderness)

What's your groups experience?

28 to 32 Research Encounters (depending on which AO you're facing) ask to test OBS; the average is 29.5. Some other characteristics are tested (Shub and Yig are heavy on monster ambushes, so that often - 11 and 13 times, respectively - STR is checked)

I finished drawing the graphs for all the AOs (and prepared the Excel for those to come); I just need to find the time to write the article and post it on the Geek as addenda to my EH math.

If you need specific info about one AO, just ask.

In any case, OBS for clues, LORE, WILL for OW, and so on. Indeed, you need to know who's the best for what encounter

If you haven't already, take a look at the file I posted at BGG which will help you see what skill test is most often needed for a given encounter type.

I'm kinda bummed by the thumbs up / download ratio for your file as well, Richard. At the moment is 6 to 65. Downloading is one click just as thumbing up. If you download, you should thumb, since you're interested in the work. My ratio is 19 to 389 at the moment. Ridiculous.

But to the OP: aye, there's a lot of stuff in Ricedwlit analysis that you could be interested in.

As a general observation, you could love the game or hate it, but undoubtably there is a *strong* math behind it and nothing comes "because it's cozy to do so".

I'm kinda bummed by the thumbs up / download ratio for your file as well, Richard. At the moment is 6 to 65. Downloading is one click just as thumbing up. If you download, you should thumb, since you're interested in the work. My ratio is 19 to 389 at the moment. Ridiculous.

Frankly, BGG seems to be the most elitist page from the BGG/RPGG/VGG trio. Many usere there treat the thumbing system in the lines of "you have to do something spectacular to earn a thumb from me". This thumbs/downloads ratio is normal.

Frankly, BGG seems to be the most elitist page from the BGG/RPGG/VGG trio. Many usere there treat the thumbing system in the lines of "you have to do something spectacular to earn a thumb from me". This thumbs/downloads ratio is normal.

I see what you're saying here, and I'm more or less aware that this is normal. Still, normal doesn't mean fair. All those who create these files know what an incredible amount of time, patience and skill (honestly, not everyone's able to calculate odds for a certain event to happen) are needed to analyze, write and prepare these documents, that are done just for the pleasure of helping the community. If the community doesn't answer in a polite way, people will stop posting them. Easy peasy. But it's a pity.

But, as said, I understand why you're saying this. Thanks for taking the time to comment

Regarding the thumbs up / download ratio: I can't say I'm surprised. My earlier effort for AH has been up (counting since the first version) over 4 years now and has managed only 68 thumbs up for over 2800 downloads. C'est la vie.

28 to 32 Research Encounters (depending on which AO you're facing) ask to test OBS; the average is 29.5. Some other characteristics are tested (Shub and Yig are heavy on monster ambushes, so that often - 11 and 13 times, respectively - STR is checked)

I finished drawing the graphs for all the AOs (and prepared the Excel for those to come); I just need to find the time to write the article and post it on the Geek as addenda to my EH math.

If you need specific info about one AO, just ask.

In any case, OBS for clues, LORE, WILL for OW, and so on. Indeed, you need to know who's the best for what encounter

*blinks*

Um, you do realize that the whole "ideatic memory/uncanny knack for stochastic pheonomena thing was just a joke right?

*re-reads Julia's post*

Nope. You really don't.

Seriously though I had no idea people put so much work into getting that exact. I can't look at a lot of the graphs since most of them are on BGG, but I just naturally via experience sensed a pattern like anyone would so I wondered if anyone else did. Apparently so. Sensed. Investigated. Identitfied. Labeled and thoughouly controlled.

Whew. An' here I thought I got pissed when a game handed me mah butt....

If you haven't already, take a look at the file I posted at BGG which will help you see what skill test is most often needed for a given encounter type.

I appreciate the effort ricedwlit but unless the info is posted here I can't read it. I can't go to BGG.

Frankly, BGG seems to be the most elitist page from the BGG/RPGG/VGG trio. Many usere there treat the thumbing system in the lines of "you have to do something spectacular to earn a thumb from me". This thumbs/downloads ratio is normal.

I see what you're saying here, and I'm more or less aware that this is normal. Still, normal doesn't mean fair. All those who create these files know what an incredible amount of time, patience and skill (honestly, not everyone's able to calculate odds for a certain event to happen) are needed to analyze, write and prepare these documents, that are done just for the pleasure of helping the community. If the community doesn't answer in a polite way, people will stop posting them. Easy peasy. But it's a pity.

But, as said, I understand why you're saying this. Thanks for taking the time to comment

As I was trying to express before I'm actually kinda' surprised at the amount of time, patience, and skill that people devote to calculating those odds, then again before reading your posts before now I didn't realize just how many gamers DO benefit from that effort. I've only downloaded two files like that and both times I went off about in the forums thanking them for the great work but not once do I recall hitting a thumbs up for it. Or looking for one for that matter.

I don't use stuff much but I think part of the issue isn't that you're work isn't being appreciated, I don't think we realize what the appreciated/excpected response is on the part of the creators. At least I never knew. I didn't really think anyone took that thumbs up/down stuff seriously because of all the jerks that will give it a thumbs down just because they can.

An' what's with "not everyone can calculate odds."? I thought the beauty of Mathematics was that it does not rely on trust. Anyone given the same conditions can apply the same rule and get the same result can't they?

Regarding the thumbs up / download ratio: I can't say I'm surprised. My earlier effort for AH has been up (counting since the first version) over 4 years now and has managed only 68 thumbs up for over 2800 downloads. C'est la vie.

I don't know, I see your point about wanting to know that you're work is appreciated but if 2800 other people were benefiting from my work? That would pretty much answer THAT question....

Again sorry, I just think a lot of us just don't know/take as seriously as creators the whole thumbs up/down thingy. I'll be more aware of it on other downloads.....

As I was trying to express before I'm actually kinda' surprised at the amount of time, patience, and skill that people devote to calculating those odds, then again before reading your posts before now I didn't realize just how many gamers DO benefit from that effort. I've only downloaded two files like that and both times I went off about in the forums thanking them for the great work but not once do I recall hitting a thumbs up for it. Or looking for one for that matter.

I think there are just 2 categories of "downloader": those who download everything because "it could come in handy later", but then never open the files; and those who download and read them and use them. I think the vast majority falls in the latter category.

I don't use stuff much but I think part of the issue isn't that you're work isn't being appreciated, I don't think we realize what the appreciated/excpected response is on the part of the creators. At least I never knew. I didn't really think anyone took that thumbs up/down stuff seriously because of all the jerks that will give it a thumbs down just because they can.

I'm not saying thumbs up (there are no thumbs down on the BGG) are taken "seriously" from my side; but that showing some courtesy towards those who give us something is a good sign of civilization. When a friend gives us something, we thank him. When I download something that was created by someone else, I thumb him up everytime, because it's a polite way to thank him for his work.

Not thumbing is, on a very small scale, a reflection of the modern society, where everything is granted by "divine right" and efforts done by individuals are never considered. I'm not saying that I expect a 100% thumbs up / download ratio, but at least a 15-20%? ****, yes.

An' what's with "not everyone can calculate odds."? I thought the beauty of Mathematics was that it does not rely on trust. Anyone given the same conditions can apply the same rule and get the same result can't they?

Some odds are easy to calculate, some others are not. Try to calculate the odds to pass a 2-task adventure in Elder Sign, first task being 2-investigations, second task being 1 peril, 1 lore and 3 investigations, no arrows, with a pool of five green dice, 1 red die and 1 cursed die, and being allowed to use up to one clue.

If everyone's able to do that...

If you can't reach BGG, then here are links to the Encounter Stats documents on Google Drive (you shouldn't need an account to access them).

Eldritch Horror only

Eldritch Horror + Forsaken Lore

[Edit: confirmed that these can be viewed without a Google account]

As I was trying to express before I'm actually kinda' surprised at the amount of time, patience, and skill that people devote to calculating those odds, then again before reading your posts before now I didn't realize just how many gamers DO benefit from that effort. I've only downloaded two files like that and both times I went off about in the forums thanking them for the great work but not once do I recall hitting a thumbs up for it. Or looking for one for that matter.

I think there are just 2 categories of "downloader": those who download everything because "it could come in handy later", but then never open the files; and those who download and read them and use them. I think the vast majority falls in the latter category.

I don't use stuff much but I think part of the issue isn't that you're work isn't being appreciated, I don't think we realize what the appreciated/excpected response is on the part of the creators. At least I never knew. I didn't really think anyone took that thumbs up/down stuff seriously because of all the jerks that will give it a thumbs down just because they can.

I'm not saying thumbs up (there are no thumbs down on the BGG) are taken "seriously" from my side; but that showing some courtesy towards those who give us something is a good sign of civilization. When a friend gives us something, we thank him. When I download something that was created by someone else, I thumb him up everytime, because it's a polite way to thank him for his work.

Not thumbing is, on a very small scale, a reflection of the modern society, where everything is granted by "divine right" and efforts done by individuals are never considered. I'm not saying that I expect a 100% thumbs up / download ratio, but at least a 15-20%? ****, yes.

An' what's with "not everyone can calculate odds."? I thought the beauty of Mathematics was that it does not rely on trust. Anyone given the same conditions can apply the same rule and get the same result can't they?

Some odds are easy to calculate, some others are not. Try to calculate the odds to pass a 2-task adventure in Elder Sign, first task being 2-investigations, second task being 1 peril, 1 lore and 3 investigations, no arrows, with a pool of five green dice, 1 red die and 1 cursed die, and being allowed to use up to one clue.

If everyone's able to do that...

I think I'm 50/50 as a downloader. I've downloaded two things, one I sorta' used (as a desktop) one I read and discarded. (A way to make RuneBound solo.) Then again I don't really have a computer that will let me download all of the things.....

I didn't understand or at the very least I'm probably misunderstanding ths: "a reflection of the modern society, where everything is granted by "divine right" and efforts done by individuals are never considered." I can name a bunch of things that are not granted by "divine right" or at all, and I can point to a lot of indivdual effort that is what I would call overly-considered or where the effort does not match the reward. My point was only that my not hitting thumbs up was due to ignorance not a lack of appreciation for someone's effort.

As for calculating the odds, I wasn't speaking to the difficulty of the task, just it's possibility. As for calculating the odds in your example. Yes. Everyone CAN do that. If not, then what is the point and beauty of Mathematics? Math is open to everyone with the desire/continuing discipline to learn it and it's true it may be Neo-Magic but that's more because people CHOOSE not to know it. We would just have to learn the formula for that system and once learned, odds could be calculated by a completely normal person for all of the adventures.

I want to know more about the relationships between the mechanisms within the overall system. What is their connection? Where is the pattern? Delving as deeply into the odds as you guys do, for me, would be like tearing the face off a clock when I didn't want to know how a clock works, I wanted to know what time was.

If you can't reach BGG, then here are links to the Encounter Stats documents on Google Drive (you shouldn't need an account to access them).

Eldritch Horror only

Eldritch Horror + Forsaken Lore

[Edit: confirmed that these can be viewed without a Google account]

Thanks Ricedlwit! I appreciate the lists but my computer can not view them. It will let me see the first page but then gives me an error message telling me the file is unreadable. (usually interrupting me while I'm trying to read it. *sigh*

Thanks again, like I said before, I hope you don't think all the effort you put into your work isn't appreciated and I hope that you do consider that many who download it are just ignorant of the expected response. (or aren't really "net" folks.)