K-Wing and Punisher still feel Star Wars, though?

Um, maybe you misread my post.

The answer is "No. Not at all."

The K-Wing is just a mess. And the TIE Punisher looks like something a 13-year-old fanfic writer would come up with... "It's got FOUR missile pods!!!"

Again, "no."

The Rebellion used a ton of Clone Wars era tech early on, man.

But, that doesn't mean everything they had was viable. The Empire wouldn't use any Clone Wars tech. Friggin' any.

Dude, we literally witness the Empire using both Venator-class vessels and V-Wing starfighters at the tail end of RotS.

But, yes, the Rebellion regularly employs Y-Wings (and Z-95s in a bunch of video games). Plus, the X-Wing is clearly a descendant of the ARC-170.

Anyway, if we do ever end up with prequel ships? (Which I actually think would be cool btw.) I believe FFG will have to create two new factions and, more than likely, a means of keeping the existing factions (Rebellion and Empire, at least) out.

+1!

@Raynuk: got a pic of your ATR-6? Would love to see it

Yup!

Thanks. Those things are just too sweet not to print

In all fairness I am hesitant to use the end of ROTS as an example for Imperial V's and venators. The reason being, it's not as if the change of government would suddenly drop all of it's war materiel.

This said. IT'S NOT AS IF A SIMPLE CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT WILL CAUSE SAID GOVERNMENT TO DROP ALL OF IT'S WAR MATERIEL!

The fact is that ARCs V-wings etc were used for the first ~5 years of the Empire, this was seen in the comics.

Now, Arquitens and police gunships still seen in rebels set what, 16 years after?

Of course, it doesn't help matters that the Republic symbol during the Clone Wars is nearly identical to the Empire's.

So just having the Republic symbol on the cards is going to be confusing if they end up being part of the Rebel faction.

Of course, it doesn't help matters that the Republic symbol during the Clone Wars is nearly identical to the Empire's.

So just having the Republic symbol on the cards is going to be confusing if they end up being part of the Rebel faction.

Actually it makes sense. Oh hey, no galactic upheaval and kill squads here, we're just changing the flag a little bit -you know, millennial update.

Bah! The cog (and the overspreading/mechanical connotations) would have been played up as a source of security and unity unlike anything the Republic had ever offered. It was a chance for actually characterising Palpatine as ruthlessly intelligent (instead of just hand-waving that he had foreseen everything).

Eh, maybe in the EU...

IMO The EU has treated Palpy VERY poorly in all but "well actually, darkside muahahha was because it'd save the galaxy from the vong" and I can't even accept that as in my mind the yousuck dong never existed.

So yeah, I think you are onto something there...

Right? I'm not a fan of the New Jedi Order series (but loved Fate of the Jedi) and that Deathstar—>extragalactic threat plan just sloppily undercuts the brilliance of Tarkin in ANH. Papa Palatine never got the chance to look or speak as great as Tarkin and so could've used a fair bit more characterisation in the prequels, but...too late!

The prequels did do a good job at showing him as a political genius, but the end fight with yoda was card carrying psychovillain.

You know, if we get the live action series i've been hearing about a large part of it might be Palpy playing off members of the senate against each other, that'd be good. It was described as game of thrones meets battlestar galactica.

Eh, I felt like too much of the prequels' plot revolved around Palpatine's rise to power being inevitable. "Oh if only our foresight wasn't clouded by the dark side of the Force!" the Jedi lamented. Lazy space wizards. Also don't get me started on Yoda fighting, it just makes me froth at the mouth and roar incoherently.

What about the jedi appearance in the arena in ep2?

GOGO POWER RANGERS!

This said, I actually kinda like that when the jedi's connection to the force is shrouded they are inept. It's why later jedi, who lived without force reliance are so fantastic, they can adapt appropriately and just be badass. Wheras the Jedi are just morons in the prequels.

I can only imagine the conversations Jedi had with the clone troopers ~ Order 66.

Sir, my blaster barrel is jammed, can you look down there please? Oh sure Trooper 3398, oh hey it looks *BWAT* *thud*

Oh Hey General, can you fly your fighter a bit ahead of us in formation please? we want to test our targetting computers " ok guys sure, oh hey your target locks work I *fwapfwapfwap* *boom*.

This is how I see the prequel factions:

Scum and Villainy - Separatists

Rebellion - Old Republic (old phoenix symbol)

Galactic Empire - Imperialists/New Order (old cog symbol adopted during the clone wars)

Obviously some ships for the Old Republic and New Order would be shared, whereas the seperatists would not share any.

IMO The EU has treated Palpy VERY poorly in all but "well actually, darkside muahahha was because it'd save the galaxy from the vong"

This is mostly a fan theory. In legends canon the only time Palpatine mentions an extragalactic thread was to convince Thrawn destroying the outbound flight. I doubt Palpatine has forseen the Vong invasion.

IMO The EU has treated Palpy VERY poorly in all but "well actually, darkside muahahha was because it'd save the galaxy from the vong"

This is mostly a fan theory. In legends canon the only time Palpatine mentions an extragalactic thread was to convince Thrawn destroying the outbound flight. I doubt Palpatine has forseen the Vong invasion.

I think that is precisely what is implied by all the references in "Outbound Flight".

I really wish the admins would delete this awful thread as well as the force Friday spoilers...

I really wish the admins would delete this awful thread as well as the force Friday spoilers...

Okay so how do we feel about the possibility that the Gunboat doesn't fit into design space available in the Imperial hangar? I would absolutely want one, and see it as basically an Imperial Y-Wing/X-Wing hybrid, but I'm starting to think it's possible that FFG doesn't want that in my authoritarian wheelhouse. Especially looking at the new Imperial contribution and its spectacular self, 2 ATK and 3 AGI with an immaculate dial is kind of the complete opposite, whereas the heavy-hitting hardy role is somewhat filled by the Lambda and the Punisher. Trying to fit Redline into a list made it click; this guy is gonna hit like a sack of bricks, and is a beast to destroy without massive concentrated fire. Is it possible FFG doesn't see the Gunboat as worth investing in?

This is how I see the prequel factions:

Scum and Villainy - Separatists

Rebellion - Old Republic (old phoenix symbol)

Galactic Empire - Imperialists/New Order (old cog symbol adopted during the clone wars)

Logic says that:

Imperial: The Galactic Republic, The Galactic Empire, The First Order - each of these 3 factions represents the established government, and each one transitions directly into the next.

Rebel: The Confederacy of Independent Systems, The Rebel Alliance, The Resistance - each of these 3 factions represents an organized rebellion against the established governments in the above factions.

Scum: Scum & Villainy - Bounty Hunters, Smugglers, Pirates, Crime Syndicates. These non-aligned mercenaries and criminals are just as prevalent in the Clone Wars era as any other era. It would be nice if they broke these down into individual factions, like Black Sun, Hutts, Mandalorians, etc. but not necessary.

That's what logic says.

But, my heart says that, aside from the fact that Palpatine is secretly pulling their strings, the Republic is still the "good guys" and the CIS are the "bad guys". And most of the Republic's forces fit in better with the Rebels. Jedi, ARC-170s, V-Wings, Clone Y-Wings, Clone Z-95s, etc.

The CIS have a lot fewer ships than the Republic, but that's okay, because the Empire has a lot more EU ships to draw on to fill in the gaps than the Rebels do.

And Scum is...well, Scum is still Scum.

K-Wing and Punisher still feel Star Wars, though?

Um, maybe you misread my post.

The answer is "No. Not at all."

The K-Wing is just a mess. And the TIE Punisher looks like something a 13-year-old fanfic writer would come up with... "It's got FOUR missile pods!!!"

Again, "no."

I read your post, I just don't agree with your assessment and never will.

Does anyone have still pictures of the X-wing PC game cut scene that showed Gunboats assisting as air support during a planetary invasion?

K-Wing and Punisher still feel Star Wars, though?

Um, maybe you misread my post.

The answer is "No. Not at all."

The K-Wing is just a mess. And the TIE Punisher looks like something a 13-year-old fanfic writer would come up with... "It's got FOUR missile pods!!!"

Again, "no."

The punisher is just fine, and fits right in line with the TIE series. It looks like exactly one would expect from the heaviest bomber.

I mean "just add more" is probably the only artistic difference between the z-95 and it's successor the X wing.

The punisher is just fine, and fits right in line with the TIE series. It looks like exactly one would expect from the heaviest bomber.

I mean "just add more" is probably the only artistic difference between the z-95 and it's successor the X wing.

Exactly. It's not the most creative design. But then, no TIE is. They're all just "Hey, lets flips these panels a different way."

And yet they all still come out awesome...