On 10/25/2017 at 9:32 AM, Hannes Solo said:

ITS A SHE! Its Gunboat, its a BOAT and boats are female so its a she you scrubs.

German boats are male. Just say’n

8 hours ago, gamblertuba said:

Have you folks put these on the table yet? Specifically, try this build:

Rho Squadron Veteran (21)
Expertise (4)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Os-1 Arsenal Loadout (2)

That was the last build I tried last night when I brought my shapeways gunboats to game night.

The 3 Omega FOs and Quickdraw won inititive, and I got off one harpoon missile the whole game.

The other builds I tried were 3x (Rho, Crack, XG1, Mangler, LB, Harpoon, LRS) vs Poe/rey (2 games, consistatly killed 2/3 of the list) and 2x(Nu, XG1, Mangler,Flechette, ASLAM)+46 point Kylo (using Tie FO dial for silencer) against a Jake/nera/lowrick list. (won)

You don't want to face them with lower PS though. The initiative roll was huge for that game.

1 hour ago, Lobokai said:

German boats are male. Just say’n

DAS BOAT!

2 hours ago, Lobokai said:

German boats are male. Just say’n

People speak English in the Star Wars universe, you know. Apparently the galaxy was colonized by English/American descendants a long time ago.

14 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

DAS BOAT!

DAS BOOT, you mean.

5 hours ago, Lobokai said:

German boats are male. Just say’n

I am german and that is not true. There was an ocean liner called Imperator which was named male cause the emporer thought that would be especially cool but usually ships are female in german.

19 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:

I am german and that is not true. There was an ocean liner called Imperator which was named male cause the emporer thought that would be especially cool but usually ships are female in german.

Well the Kaiserliche Marine and the Kriegsmarine disagree, which would be the vast majority of German warships and almost every famous one, which was what I was referring to.

Name the top 20 most famous German warships outside Germany. They’re either male or named for the male rulers of German municipalities. Unless you count Q-Ships. But I usually don’t.

Decided to do a little research, instead of going off the top of my head: looks like the Brandenburg navy did too... that’s 250 years of male names... so yeah, it’s true

12 minutes ago, Lobokai said:

Well the Kaiserliche Marine and the Kriegsmarine disagree, which would be the vast majority of German warships and almost every famous one, which was what I was referring to.

Name the top 20 most famous German warships outside Germany. They’re either male or named for the male rulers of German municipalities. Unless you count Q-Ships. But I usually don’t.

Decided to do a little research, instead of going off the top of my head: looks like the Brandenburg navy did too... that’s 250 years of male names... so yeah, it’s true

Named after males, but still " die Bismarck". Just because they are named after males doesn´ t change the fact that ships are female in german too.

3 minutes ago, Vode said:

Named after males, but still " die Bismarck".

So die Polizei are female? Or masculine words use feminine articles (legit question btw).

Plus, isn’t it “der Kahn” and ”der Kutter”, or once you refer to them by name it becomes feminine?

very curious is all, sorry for the OT

regardless, French ( “Le Queen Mary”) and Hindi, and some Russian, and some Spanish hull types are masculine too. Huh. In German does “die” always have semantic genderization? Because in many languages articles don’t.

22 minutes ago, Lobokai said:

Plus, isn’t it “der Kahn” and ”der Kutter”, or once you refer to them by name it becomes feminine?

very curious is all, sorry for the OT

regardless, French ( “Le Queen Mary”) and Hindi, and some Russian, and some Spanish hull types are masculine too. Huh. In German does “die” always have semantic genderization? Because in many languages articles don’t.

Not sure how it is in German, but in Spanish every word is either masculine or feminine, and when it refers to inanimate objects like ships, that have no real sex, there is not really a rule that makes sense at all.
Ship ("nave") is feminine, Vessel ("navío") is masculine, Boat ("barco") is masculine, even when a smaller boat ("barca") is feminine, but a sailboat ("velero") is masculine again.
Then you have corvette ("corbeta") feminine, destroyer ("destructor") masculine, frigate ("fragata") feminine, gunboat ("cañonera") feminine, and so on and on.

And I understand in Star Wars, characters speak the language that the movie/game or the comic/book are translated to. It's hard to believe that they spoke English in a galaxy far far away.

2 hours ago, Lobokai said:

Plus, isn’t it “der Kahn” and ”der Kutter”, or once you refer to them by name it becomes feminine?

very curious is all, sorry for the OT

regardless, French ( “Le Queen Mary”) and Hindi, and some Russian, and some Spanish hull types are masculine too. Huh. In German does “die” always have semantic genderization? Because in many languages articles don’t.

Sry fot OT digression

German language uses the articles der, die, das for that in english is just 'the' these articles are a genderisation der is masculine, die is feminine and das is neutral. German nouns also can have a masculine and a feminine form 'der Pilot' (a male pilot) or 'die Pilotin' (a female pilot).
To confuse non native german speakers even more the word die is also used in the plural forms and the loses its genderisation character.

'Der Pilott' (a male pilot) 'Die Pilotin' (a female pilot) but 'Die Piloten' (several pilots (could be both genders))

So back to boats. I am a native speaking german and I live at the sea and own a sailing boat and I am also a hobby historian, so you may belive me.
In german navel tradition (including the 'Kaiserliche Marine, the Kriegsmarine (both republican and facist) the Volksmarine, the Bundesmarine, the Königliche Preußische Marine, The Marine des Norddeutschen Bundes, The Hanse, the Bundesflotte or Schleswig-Holsteinische Marine) Ships as a subject are female.
So while the ship as an object is neutral (Das Schiff, Das Boot (note that for some ethmyological reasons I can't explain to you some kind of ships have male or female articles for example 'Der Kutter' (the cutter) 'Der Kahn' (the barge) but also 'Die Barkasse' (also the barge) 'Die Fregatte' (the frigate) 'Die Kogge' (the cog) but then also 'Das Panzerschiff' (the ironclad) 'Das Unterseeboot' (The submarine) 'Die Corellianische Corvette' (The corellian corvett) or 'Der Sternenzerstörer' (The stardestroyer).

So it is 'Das Schlachtschiff Bismark' (the Battleship Bismark) or 'Der Schlachtkreuzer Admiral Graf Spee' (the battlecruiser Admiral Graf Spee) and 'Die Fregatte Schleswig-Holstein' (the frigate Schleswig-Holstein.
But if you refer to the names it is always the female form
die Bismark, die Admiral Graf Spee, die Schleswig-Holstein.

So one German sentence to get you ultimatly confused

"Die Bismark hat das Schlachtschiff HMS Hood versenkt. Danach wurde sie von der Königlichen Britischen Marine gejagt und durch Torpedos so schwer beschädigt das sie aufgegeben werden musste." (The Bismark sunk the Battleship HMS Hood. After that she was hunted by the britisch royal navy and fataly damaged by a torpedo so she had to be given up.)

Where have been some gentelmen pricks in and around the imperial german navy (including a certain monarch called Wilhelm) that thought at least some ships should be classified as 'male' because they there sexists but that didn't catch on with the sailors, most of the officers and the general population so in german language when you refer to a certain ship by it's name you always use the female form.

TL,DR: In German language ships (and boats) are female. Believe me I am a german sailor!

EDIT: It is notable that Han Solo is as much a sexist prick as Kaiser Wilhelm as he refers to his ship (in the german localisation) in the Male form 'Der Rasende Falke' (German localisation for 'the millennium Falcon' while most other ships in star wars (german localisation) are female (Die Tantive IV, die Executor, die Sklave 1 (slave 1) ) - well just another reason to watch it in the original version.

2 hours ago, Lobokai said:

So die Polizei are female? Or masculine words use feminine articles (legit question btw).

To answer that as well

Der Polizist -> the policeman
Die Polizistin -> the policewoman
Die Polizisten -> the policemen (plurale form that describes several ploice officers (can be all genders) while die in the previous example is a female singular articel (with female gendriastion) the same three leters are now used for a plural form without gederisation) TL,DR:learn german grammar, its fun!

Die Polizei -> the police (as an organisation the Police uses the female article (die) without a special reason! Compare For example:

Der Bundesgrenzschutz -> the Federal Border Guard (male article)
Die Bundeswehr -> the federal army (female article)
Das Bundesmarineamt -> the federal naval office (neutral article)

6 hours ago, Odanan said:

DAS BOOT, you mean.

Ja, das ist richtig.

I love this topic!

9 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:

Yes but a ship with LRS cant use the tracer effect to TL an enemy in Range 1 or 2

Also, you'd still need a Target Lock (as well as a Focus token) to fire Tracer Missiles after a SLAM.

There might be a workaround with Tracers - maybe if you're running OS/Advanced SLAM and Tracers on a higher PS non-Boat like Vader or the Inquisitor, but then you're relying on synergies to get the job done.

Jesus Christ, will you people stop talking about boats?

4 hours ago, Azrapse said:

Not sure how it is in German, but in Spanish every word is either masculine or feminine, and when it refers to inanimate objects like ships, that have no real sex, there is not really a rule that makes sense at all.
Ship ("nave") is feminine, Vessel ("navío") is masculine, Boat ("barco") is masculine, even when a smaller boat ("barca") is feminine, but a sailboat ("velero") is masculine again.
Then you have corvette ("corbeta") feminine, destroyer ("destructor") masculine, frigate ("fragata") feminine, gunboat ("cañonera") feminine, and so on and on.

Yep. Portuguese is very similar with Spanish, but I guess the gender is more clear. When the word is finished by "a", it is 99,99% chance of being feminine. When it is finished by "o" or "or" it is 99,99% chance of being masculine. The problem is when it is finished by something else. For comparison: "a nau", "o navio", "o barco", "a barca" (or "a lancha"), "o veleiro", "a corveta", "o contratorpedeiro", "a fragata", "a canhoneira".

And wow, German genders are a nightmare. I tried to learn German once. Once.

24 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Jesus Christ, will you people stop talking about boats?

never

3 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:

never

This thread:

Possibly a bad picture to post when the Gunboat is on the boat, @Odanan!

1 minute ago, FTS Gecko said:

Possibly a bad picture to post when the Gunboat is on the boat, @Odanan!

I know!!!!

Now I'm toying around with a list containing OS-1s and Jendon.

Maybe it's not going to be a total failure.

3 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:

Sry fot OT digression

German language uses the articles der, die, das for that in english is just 'the' these articles are a genderisation der is masculine, die is feminine and das is neutral. German nouns also can have a masculine and a feminine form 'der Pilot' (a male pilot) or 'die Pilotin' (a female pilot).
To confuse non native german speakers even more the word die is also used in the plural forms and the loses its genderisation character.

'Der Pilott' (a male pilot) 'Die Pilotin' (a female pilot) but 'Die Piloten' (several pilots (could be both genders))

So back to boats. I am a native speaking german and I live at the sea and own a sailing boat and I am also a hobby historian, so you may belive me.
In german navel tradition (including the 'Kaiserliche Marine, the Kriegsmarine (both republican and facist) the Volksmarine, the Bundesmarine, the Königliche Preußische Marine, The Marine des Norddeutschen Bundes, The Hanse, the Bundesflotte or Schleswig-Holsteinische Marine) Ships as a subject are female.
So while the ship as an object is neutral (Das Schiff, Das Boot (note that for some ethmyological reasons I can't explain to you some kind of ships have male or female articles for example 'Der Kutter' (the cutter) 'Der Kahn' (the barge) but also 'Die Barkasse' (also the barge) 'Die Fregatte' (the frigate) 'Die Kogge' (the cog) but then also 'Das Panzerschiff' (the ironclad) 'Das Unterseeboot' (The submarine) 'Die Corellianische Corvette' (The corellian corvett) or 'Der Sternenzerstörer' (The stardestroyer).

So it is 'Das Schlachtschiff Bismark' (the Battleship Bismark) or 'Der Schlachtkreuzer Admiral Graf Spee' (the battlecruiser Admiral Graf Spee) and 'Die Fregatte Schleswig-Holstein' (the frigate Schleswig-Holstein.
But if you refer to the names it is always the female form
die Bismark, die Admiral Graf Spee, die Schleswig-Holstein.

So one German sentence to get you ultimatly confused

"Die Bismark hat das Schlachtschiff HMS Hood versenkt. Danach wurde sie von der Königlichen Britischen Marine gejagt und durch Torpedos so schwer beschädigt das sie aufgegeben werden musste." (The Bismark sunk the Battleship HMS Hood. After that she was hunted by the britisch royal navy and fataly damaged by a torpedo so she had to be given up.)

Where have been some gentelmen pricks in and around the imperial german navy (including a certain monarch called Wilhelm) that thought at least some ships should be classified as 'male' because they there sexists but that didn't catch on with the sailors, most of the officers and the general population so in german language when you refer to a certain ship by it's name you always use the female form.

TL,DR: In German language ships (and boats) are female. Believe me I am a german sailor!

EDIT: It is notable that Han Solo is as much a sexist prick as Kaiser Wilhelm as he refers to his ship (in the german localisation) in the Male form 'Der Rasende Falke' (German localisation for 'the millennium Falcon' while most other ships in star wars (german localisation) are female (Die Tantive IV, die Executor, die Sklave 1 (slave 1) ) - well just another reason to watch it in the original version.

I just got a linguistic boner.

6 hours ago, Hannes Solo said:

Believe me I am a german sailor!

Belief and thanks. Fascinating stuff.