43 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I suspect that the Gunboat might be the reason behind the recent rash of really good missiles that don't spend the lock.

Whether it turns out to have been a GOOD reason or not, is for the birds.

That's just a good option generally. Assuming things have been developed in broadly the order they're released, cruise missiles probably predate the gunboat as a concept.

Their ability is really good for a variety of reasons - being able to pull a fast kturn and bin off a cruise missile is a very good option, as is the interaction between non-lock-spending missiles and the ATC, which has allowed Vader to get some table time again.

Gah, I totally forgot that the Reload action saddles you a weapons disabled token. That means the OS-1 title is pretty much compulsory, which pushes the Harpoon variant up to 24 points, and out of budget...

Am I the only one who thinks that the OS-1 Title is overcosted? You need to buy the ordnance and on top the action economy gimics that make TL dependent attacks viable. Imho it should have been 0 with and Ordnance discount but I am probably biased.

30 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:

Am I the only one who thinks that the OS-1 Title is overcosted? You need to buy the ordnance and on top the action economy gimics that make TL dependent attacks viable. Imho it should have been 0 with and Ordnance discount but I am probably biased.

No it's not just you.

59 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:

Am I the only one who thinks that the OS-1 Title is overcosted?

What @thespaceinvader said. But it's not just the cost of the upgrades (a workable ordnance build is going to minimum of 5 points of upgrades on top of the pilot card, more likely 7 with Advanced SLAM), it's how incredibly cumbersome the entire ordnance reload mechanic is going to be as well, especially on top of the limited dial.

Target Lock - SLAM to reposition - Reload - Reacquire Target Lock if necessary

That's a minimum of 2 actions between your first shot and your second shot, but more likely 3 actions and a full round. There may be instances you can reduce that (retaining Target Locks instead of spending them to modify, for instance), but you're almost always going to need to reposition if you want a second shot on the same target without the help of some good blocking.

Not to mention that ideally you want to get multiple mods, so that's 3 to 4 actions you want to take between shots.

Celebrate the Savior!!

3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Not to mention that ideally you want to get multiple mods, so that's 3 to 4 actions you want to take between shots.

Modification slots - Long Range Scanners, Advanced SLAM or Guidance Chips? LRS can keep the cost down, but SLAM gives you more flexibility. Chips - which most ordnance users really want - isn't even in the running.

Push the Limit on SLAM? Great, but that's yet another 3 points, and with those greens? At that points level, you're probably better off going for Kylo, Darth, Quickdraw, Vessery, or a Decimator lol

Range requirements, arc, action economy, limited dial, weapons disabled... there's too many things going on there, it's just too cumbersome.

XG-1 boats are just simply the better build.

Except that as anything other than a support piece (and with Flechette or a non-damaging cannon, a fairly mediocre one at that), you can't SLAM and shoot.

3 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Modification slots - Long Range Scanners, Advanced SLAM or Guidance Chips? LRS can keep the cost down, but SLAM gives you more flexibility. Chips - which most ordnance users really want - isn't even in the running.

Push the Limit on SLAM? Great, but that's yet another 3 points, and with those greens? At that points level, you're probably better off going for Kylo, Darth, Quickdraw, Vessery, or a Decimator lol

Range requirements, arc, action economy, limited dial, weapons disabled... there's too many things going on there, it's just too cumbersome.

XG-1 boats are just simply the better build.

Better, yes. That's why I love it so much.

But more fun? Uh...

Three lists I made for fun:

Mk II

OS-1, Expertise, long range scanners, homing missiles. Mark someone for death on turn 1 and then make em sweat when they dial in their maneuver, since you can hit em from 7 base lengths + R3 away. When you blow your lock, jet off to some other corner of the board and reacquire it while you turn around.

that except Harpoon Missiles because they're cheaper and better.

28 minutes ago, Odanan said:

Celebrate the Savior!!

Praise The Gunboat from whom all Ordnance flows;
Praise him, all Stormtroopers here below;
Praise him above, ye Imperial Host
Praise Gunboat, OS-1, and XG-1!

Aaaaaaameeeennnnn!

8 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

that except Harpoon Missiles because they're cheaper and better.

Depends on who you see across the table. If it takes an evade regularly, homing missiles are your bff. If your gaming group flies FSR all the time, harpoon 'em.

EDIT: If it's a tie swarm, shake their hand for playing a tie swarm.

ehhh. Unless you routinely see 3 or 4 dice with evade and autothrusters, the extra damage from the condition should more than make up for the damage you lose to the evade token.

56 minutes ago, Odanan said:

Celebrate the Savior!!

ITS A SHE! Its Gunboat, its a BOAT and boats are female so its a she you scrubs.

46 minutes ago, Hannes Solo said:

ITS A SHE! Its Gunboat, its a BOAT and boats are female so its a she you scrubs.

4 minutes ago, Odanan said:

Thank you so much, finally somebody listens to me.

... not like these other guys...
yes FFG developer team I am looking at YOU!

I think I'll mostly use XG-1 with Jammer and Flechette/Linked Batteries and OG-1 with LRS and Harpoon.

Say, I imagine flying a wing of these in epic would prove to be a great hit and run option against epic size ships, I mean just imagine slamming in a group of these with long range sensors, os1 and cruise missiles for a massive spread of damage, maybe throw in some torpedoes too. I mean unleashing a massive slavo without a chance for the epic ship to take out all your fliers with all of them getting in range without an extra turn of being vulnerable

note I’ve never played epic

^Bolts in and slams the door shut behind!^

My god, what's going on out there???

Social upheaval, complete turmoil! Cats getting along with Dogs! Holy Nerfbat!

Looks like the usual suspects have had their commerupperance!

Brethen and Sisterns! Take heed! Though it is time for the Empire to rise once more from the ashes on the wings of our GUNBOATS - we must carefully temper outpourings of fervour for our Five Winged Saviour with equal grace!

SO remember!!

Be good at employing her but not TOO good.

Let her rule yet not dominate!

Rise up high but not TOO high! Lest her wings be clipped un-sanctimoniously! Emperor forbid!

SO, just preordered 3 GUNBOATS at my LGS.

And before someone can ask "why just three?"
My girlfriend was just telling me "How could I gift you something other then a GUNBOAT for christmas?! Preorder three you'll get one from me!"
I simply love her!

22 hours ago, Celestial Lizards said:

Three lists I made for fun:

Mk I Major Vynder — Alpha-class Star Wing	26
Flechette Torpedoes	2
Ion Pulse Missiles	3
Cluster Missiles	4
Advanced SLAM	2
Os-1 Arsenal Loadout	2
Ship Total: 39
Lieutenant Karsabi — Alpha-class Star Wing	24
Wired	1
Advanced Homing Missiles	3
Heavy Laser Cannon	7
Linked Battery	2
Long-Range Scanners	0
XG-1 Assault Configuration	1
Ship Total: 38
Storm Squadron Pilot — TIE Advanced	23
Accuracy Corrector	0
TIE/x1	0
Ship Total: 23

Mk II

Major Vynder — Alpha-class Star Wing	26
Outmaneuver	3
Plasma Torpedoes	3
Ion Pulse Missiles	3
Cluster Missiles	4
Advanced SLAM	2
Os-1 Arsenal Loadout	2
Ship Total: 43
Lieutenant Karsabi — Alpha-class Star Wing	24
Wired	1
Heavy Laser Cannon	7
Linked Battery	2
Long-Range Scanners	0
XG-1 Assault Configuration	1
Ship Total: 35
"Countdown" — TIE Striker	20
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II	1
Adaptive Ailerons	0
Ship Total: 21
Mk III Major Vynder — Alpha-class Star Wing 26 Ion Pulse Missiles 3 Cluster Missiles 4 Advanced SLAM 2 Os-1 Arsenal Loadout 2 Ship Total: 37 Lieutenant Karsabi — Alpha-class Star Wing 24 Wired 1 Heavy Laser Cannon 7 Linked Battery 2 Long-Range Scanners 0 XG-1 Assault Configuration 1 Ship Total: 35 "Double Edge" — TIE Aggressor 19 Saturation Salvo 1 Twin Laser Turret 6 Unguided Rockets 2 Ship Total: 28

http://www.gunboat.com/

I mean... sure... I'm getting 5 GUNBOATS!!!