Finally the force isn't magic, every power is either telekinesis or telepathy, the force enhances mental and physical abilities.

Saying it's magic shows your understanding is as poor as jj's.

Will someone please let this thread go away?

Will someone please let this thread go away?

GUNBOAT

Lando owned the falcon before Han did and flew it after Han was put into carbonite, he is intimately familiar with the ship and still be took off the dish.

Rey says she's never flown the falcon in the movie I'm fairly sure.

Finally the force isn't magic, every power is either telekinesis or telepathy, the force enhances mental and physical abilities.

Saying it's magic shows your understanding is as poor as jj's.

The force is far more than telekenesis or telepathy. Sensing the connections between all things is the number one power that the force provides, allowing for quicker reflexes, being in the right place at the right time, seeing the future, getting bad feelings about things, ect. Telekenesis is like the least useful ability that uses the interconnectedness through the force unless you want to float food over to your date to impress her with year one hogwarts parlor tricks. Force push! Why not just blast them instead?

Rey was very familiar with the falcon and the large wrecks on Jakku, and has flown some ships before. It's not unbelievable that she could fly the way she did, especially with her inborn talents awakening in the force.

But haters gonna hate.

Sensing connections is telepathy, as is quicker reflexes, telekinesis is more than push it's also used to speed up healing, it allows you to run much quicker and jump much higher as well as increAsing the strength behind an attack.

She'd flown y wing simulators but that's the book and so irrelevant we are talking about movie rey and the movie showed none of that.

And the force absolutely does not give you new abilities if it did they wouldn't need training would they? An untrained Luke could just barely pull his lightsaber out of the snow.

The force will make you a better pilot only if you already know how to fly, which movie rey did not hence her flying the falcon like that requires more than suspension of disbelief.

Finally the force isn't magic, every power is either telekinesis or telepathy, the force enhances mental and physical abilities.

Saying it's magic shows your understanding is as poor as jj's.

That's telekinesis exciting the air molecules to create a charge and directing it to ground through luke.

I'm very embarrassed for you right now.

Sorry hobo but you didn't choose to actually read what I wrote so I'm done. Also ^ to pic of papa Palpy using his pre existing lightning shooting powers that were enhanced by the force, because the force totally doesn't give you new abilities or anything.

(And how do you have telepathy with a rock or a tree?)

Finally the force isn't magic, every power is either telekinesis or telepathy, the force enhances mental and physical abilities.

Saying it's magic shows your understanding is as poor as jj's.

That's telekinesis exciting the air molecules to create a charge and directing it to ground through luke.

I'm very embarrassed for you right now.

No he used telepathy to tell the electric potential in his fingers to excite the air and hull plating, obviously. Or midichlorians.

Sorry hobo but you didn't choose to actually read what I wrote so I'm done. Also ^ to pic of papa Palpy using his pre existing lightning shooting powers that were enhanced by the force, because the force totally doesn't give you new abilities or anything.

(And how do you have telepathy with a rock or a tree?)

You can sense where a rock is the pressure it exerts on the ground etc, and trees are alive even if they Arnt sentient they generate heat and perform chemical process.

You don't think telepathy is just mind to mind communication do you? It's extra sensory perception.

Also I explained force lightning before you even posted so who's not reading who?

But I'm glad you're going to stop this thread derailment so we can get back to gunboats.

Back on topic GUNBOAT guys!

Back on topic GUNBOAT guys!

GUNBOAT!!!!

Sorry hobo but you didn't choose to actually read what I wrote so I'm done. Also ^ to pic of papa Palpy using his pre existing lightning shooting powers that were enhanced by the force, because the force totally doesn't give you new abilities or anything.

(And how do you have telepathy with a rock or a tree?)

You can sense where a rock is the pressure it exerts on the ground etc, and trees are alive even if they Arnt sentient they generate heat and perform chemical process.

You don't think telepathy is just mind to mind communication do you? It's extra sensory perception.

Also I explained force lightning before you even posted so who's not reading who?

But I'm glad you're going to stop this thread derailment so we can get back to gunboats.

Well if you completely utterly redefine telepathy, I guess you could be right... But there is a reason humans use certain words to refer to certain concepts, and I'm not sure redefining them to mean something different is helpful or the correct way to win an argument.

Telepathy is the purported transmission of information from one person to another without using any of our known sensory channels or physical interaction.

also

Well you realise it's all made up so can't actually have a firm definition as its used by many genres in different ways.

Remote viewing for example is telepathically projecting yourself elsewhere and does not require another person on the other end.

So my definition is as follows:

Can physically interact with the world: telekinesis.

Can't physically interact: telepathy.

Simple and straight forward, like a gunboat it gets the job done.

So punching someone counts as telekinesis...

All hail the Gunboat.

So punching someone counts as telekinesis...All hail the Gunboat.

Your brains sending electrical impulses to your arm muscles and causing your first to clench and your arm to swing so yes the definition can be used like that as its the mind causing the physical interaction.

But seriously back to our five winged overlords.

Well you realise it's all made up so can't actually have a firm definition as its used by many genres in different ways.

Remote viewing for example is telepathically projecting yourself elsewhere and does not require another person on the other end.

So my definition is as follows:

Can physically interact with the world: telekinesis.

Can't physically interact: telepathy.

Simple and straight forward, like a gunboat it gets the job done.

Don't butcher parapsychological definitions please.

MOAR GUNBOAT

Anybody have any GUNBOAT related tattoos, such as the ship itself or the Secret Order markings from TIE Fighter? (I don't, no ink for me sadly)

Anybody have any GUNBOAT related tattoos, such as the ship itself or the Secret Order markings from TIE Fighter? (I don't, no ink for me sadly)

Will someone please let this thread go away?

You are under surveillance now!

I don't like Rey.

In one minute she's gone from crashing the falcon into a sand dune, to flying through the superstructure of a completely unlit Super Star Destroyer in a fat vessel with an offset cockpit.

There's more to my dislike her but knowing how to fly the Falcon like a pro after a minute of flight is numero uno.

This is the same Falcon that Lando flies through the inside of the Death Star, and as far as we know he's not even force sensitive (you might not like it, but "the force gives people magical powers" is kinda a key part of star Wars.). The Falcon's clearly surprisingly good in such situations.

Also, why are we supposed to assume she has little or no flight experience? Which part of the film suggested that?

First off, what Hobo said below you is correct, he knows the falcon.

Two, she even says she's never flown the falcon before and on top of that, the thing has an offset cockpit..!

Like, seriously I can not emphasize enough how difficult that is to get used to and constantly keep in mind.

Because crawling through something slowly clearly equates with flying through at high speed...

I guess you missed the part where she spent her evenings flying flight sims.

Literally anybody who only watched the movie, would have missed that part.

That's the kind of detail that should at least be mentioned.

Luke was established to already be an experienced pilot used to flying in enclosed canyons and well practiced at shooting small targets, he trained for the trench run for years without knowing it.

That's not a Gary stue.

Ray was not established as a pilot yet performs feats even a veteran would think twice about in a ship she's never flown before.

Anakin was a Gary stue, he got into an unfamiliar vehicle type flew into combat where experienced pilots die in droves then takes out the mother ship solo.

And people hate Anakin.

I'm with Hobo here.

Luke was not successful only because of the force, he was a legitimate experienced pilot. Sure he hadn't ever fought in a ship before, but you know, it's kind of a Rick Hunter situation.

Anakin had zero reason to be good at this kind of stuff.

Lando owned the falcon before Han did and flew it after Han was put into carbonite, he is intimately familiar with the ship and still be took off the dish.

Rey says she's never flown the falcon in the movie I'm fairly sure.

Finally the force isn't magic, every power is either telekinesis or telepathy, the force enhances mental and physical abilities.

Saying it's magic shows your understanding is as poor as jj's.

All Rey did with her free time was crawl around ship wreckage (including the SSD she flew through) and train in a flight simulator - plus, considering her capability with the staff, she has taken care of herself in many prior situations and has no problem wielding melee weapons. I don't think movies should have to spell things out via dialog, as viewers should be able to infer these things from scenes of her spend her days scavenging for very specific parts that she clearly understands. That said, Rey's prior experiences are very explicitly detailed in the novelization:

(Regarding the Falcon:)

“I’d spent some time poking around all the ships parked at the outpost. Mostly at night. It was a way to learn some things. I was careful, and nobody much cared anyway, since I never took anything or tried anything.” She brightened. “Made it a lot easier when we filched this one. Though it wasn’t my first choice.”

(Regarding her pilot abilities:)

"She learned so much that there was little the program could throw her way that would challenge her now. She’d gotten to the point where she would, quite deliberately, do everything she could think of to make things hard on herself, just to see if she could get out of it. Full-throttle atmospheric reentry with repulsor-engine failure? No sweat. Multiple hull breach deep-space engine flameout? A walk in the park."

And that right there is the problem.

It might be in the novelization, sure, but that's not in the movie. Absolutely no movie-goer who's not read the book (and why would they before seeing the film?) has any clue that Rey has any idea how to do anything vehicle related other than fly a speeder around.

And that right there is the problem.

It might be in the novelization, sure, but that's not in the movie. Absolutely no movie-goer who's not read the book (and why would they before seeing the film?) has any clue that Rey has any idea how to do anything vehicle related other than fly a speeder around.

For decades, Star Wars has been about far more than just what's in the movies!!

I don't like Rey.

In one minute she's gone from crashing the falcon into a sand dune, to flying through the superstructure of a completely unlit Super Star Destroyer in a fat vessel with an offset cockpit.

There's more to my dislike her but knowing how to fly the Falcon like a pro after a minute of flight is numero uno.

This is the same Falcon that Lando flies through the inside of the Death Star, and as far as we know he's not even force sensitive (you might not like it, but "the force gives people magical powers" is kinda a key part of star Wars.). The Falcon's clearly surprisingly good in such situations.

Also, why are we supposed to assume she has little or no flight experience? Which part of the film suggested that?

First off, what Hobo said below you is correct, he knows the falcon.

Two, she even says she's never flown the falcon before and on top of that, the thing has an offset cockpit..!

Like, seriously I can not emphasize enough how difficult that is to get used to and constantly keep in mind.

Because crawling through something slowly clearly equates with flying through at high speed...

I guess you missed the part where she spent her evenings flying flight sims.

Literally anybody who only watched the movie, would have missed that part.

That's the kind of detail that should at least be mentioned.

Luke was established to already be an experienced pilot used to flying in enclosed canyons and well practiced at shooting small targets, he trained for the trench run for years without knowing it.

That's not a Gary stue.

Ray was not established as a pilot yet performs feats even a veteran would think twice about in a ship she's never flown before.

Anakin was a Gary stue, he got into an unfamiliar vehicle type flew into combat where experienced pilots die in droves then takes out the mother ship solo.

And people hate Anakin.

I'm with Hobo here.

Luke was not successful only because of the force, he was a legitimate experienced pilot. Sure he hadn't ever fought in a ship before, but you know, it's kind of a Rick Hunter situation.

Anakin had zero reason to be good at this kind of stuff.

Lando owned the falcon before Han did and flew it after Han was put into carbonite, he is intimately familiar with the ship and still be took off the dish.

Rey says she's never flown the falcon in the movie I'm fairly sure.

Finally the force isn't magic, every power is either telekinesis or telepathy, the force enhances mental and physical abilities.

Saying it's magic shows your understanding is as poor as jj's.

All Rey did with her free time was crawl around ship wreckage (including the SSD she flew through) and train in a flight simulator - plus, considering her capability with the staff, she has taken care of herself in many prior situations and has no problem wielding melee weapons. I don't think movies should have to spell things out via dialog, as viewers should be able to infer these things from scenes of her spend her days scavenging for very specific parts that she clearly understands. That said, Rey's prior experiences are very explicitly detailed in the novelization:

(Regarding the Falcon:)

“I’d spent some time poking around all the ships parked at the outpost. Mostly at night. It was a way to learn some things. I was careful, and nobody much cared anyway, since I never took anything or tried anything.” She brightened. “Made it a lot easier when we filched this one. Though it wasn’t my first choice.”

(Regarding her pilot abilities:)

"She learned so much that there was little the program could throw her way that would challenge her now. She’d gotten to the point where she would, quite deliberately, do everything she could think of to make things hard on herself, just to see if she could get out of it. Full-throttle atmospheric reentry with repulsor-engine failure? No sweat. Multiple hull breach deep-space engine flameout? A walk in the park."

And that right there is the problem.

It might be in the novelization, sure, but that's not in the movie. Absolutely no movie-goer who's not read the book (and why would they before seeing the film?) has any clue that Rey has any idea how to do anything vehicle related other than fly a speeder around.

However well he knew it, he dodged about inside the Death Star with it, while professional TIE Fighter pilots in TIE Fighters, which are a pretty agile ship, crashed. It's clearly a very agile aship.

I agree there it was indicated Rey hadn't flown the Falcon, but it was not indicated, that I'm aware of, that she a) wasn't quite familiar with it, and b) she hadn't flown anything before.

Also, I dunno if it's been mentioned - I think she's supposed to be force sensitive.

Edit: Doublepost

Will someone please let this thread go away?

There's only one way to end this thread once and for all. And only FFG has that power.

So my definition is as follows:

Can physically interact with the world: telekinesis.

Can't physically interact: telepathy.

So your definition is literally everything.

That's like saying "This gas only effects two kinds of people. Those born before the year 2000. And those born in 2000 or later."

There's been an awakening, have you felt it?

GUNBOAT: The Awakening

Can't you smell the gunbacon?

Well you realise it's all made up so can't actually have a firm definition as its used by many genres in different ways.

Remote viewing for example is telepathically projecting yourself elsewhere and does not require another person on the other end.

So my definition is as follows:

Can physically interact with the world: telekinesis.

Can't physically interact: telepathy.

Simple and straight forward, like a gunboat it gets the job done.

Imaginary concepts still have definitions. You might as well argue that your definition of unicorn has two horns.

And that right there is the problem.

It might be in the novelization, sure, but that's not in the movie. Absolutely no movie-goer who's not read the book (and why would they before seeing the film?) has any clue that Rey has any idea how to do anything vehicle related other than fly a speeder around.

For decades, Star Wars has been about far more than just what's in the movies!!