That's one part of the information. Is there a canon amount of Star Systems in the Empire? IF it's less than 25000 sure. But what if it's 50000? 100,000?
"Millions of stars" was 3POs quote from TCW regarding the Republic. The Empire ist even bigger. I think they took the Legends numbers of ca. 1,7 mio capital memberworlds.
Right. So if that's literal and not exaggerated then based on 1.7 mil and 20000 stardestroyers we are looking at 85 worlds per star destroyer.
Suddenly "spread thin" looks accurate.
Edited by DariusAPBBut there are still millions of smaller capital ships. And also Victory Stardestroyers.
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Thats clearly not the case. In Disney canon the number of Star Destroyers is even greater as the 25000 total in Legends.
Late-period Legends magazines like Star Wars Official Fact File (this year and last year's version - there was another version of the same magazine a few years before that) had it as "25000+ Imperial-I, many thousands of Imperial II, unknown number of other classes"
Issue 44 Official Star Wars Fact File (ISD article)
Imperial Star Destroyer
In the depths of space, the vast, arrowhead wedge of an Imperial Star Destroyer symbolised the Empire's dominion of terror throughout the galaxy.
In order to enforce the will of Emperor Palpatine across the galactic reaches, the Imperial Starfleet required a vessel of unprecedented size and power. Such a starship would be capable of subduing cities, perhaps even entire continents and whole worlds, without the deployment of a massive fleet. Fortunately for the Imperial Navy, such a ship already existed. Built in small numbers from the opening year of the Clone Wars, the Imperator-class Star Destroyer was the replacement for the rather rushed Victory-class model. Designed by Lira Blissex, daughter of Walex Blissex who created the Victory-class among others, the Imperator-class showed early promise and was quickly decided on as the Star Destroyer of choice for the Empire. This was in no small measure because of its earlier limited deployment - it didn't have the association with the Republic that the Venator-class did. Production of the Republic's warships ceased, and Kuat Drive Yards went into full production of the re-named Imperial I-class Star Destroyer.
A Vast Fleet
By the fall of the Empire, it was estimated that well over 25,000 such Star Destroyers had been constructed and put into service, along with many thousands of Imperial II-class ships - the even more powerful successor to the Imperial I-class that started its service a little before the Battle of Yavin. Over half of this massive fleet remained in constant reserve in the Imperial core systems, actively defending the Empire's strategic and military assets. Each sector of the Imperial sphere was typically assigned a Sector Group of 24 Star Destroyers, maintaining the Emperor's rule through the threat of military force.
Newcanon (Star Wars Commander) uses 25,000+ for Imperial-class without making specific distinctions - suggesting that their total covers both:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial-class_Star_Destroyer
Edited by IronlordIt's more that someone decided that "imperials fly ties" and tried really hard to make sure all of their fighters were ties. Oh they can't jump to light speed? Well here's a carrier for four. Just enough for each hero to kill one.
The carrier for four concept is pretty stupid idea. What exactly are 4 tie fighters going to do? and by the time they've scrambled, the target's halfway to the next system. And that's before talking about re-embarkation.
The carrier for four concept is pretty stupid idea. What exactly are 4 tie fighters going to do? and by the time they've scrambled, the target's halfway to the next system. And that's before talking about re-embarkation.
Maybe it's more that Gozantis are more "armed transport" than warship - so - the TIEs are there so that when something threatening is approaching the convoy when it's in realspace, TIEs can scramble to protect it.
When you can't spare warships to protect every convoy - attach TIEs to the transport ships instead.
It's more that someone decided that "imperials fly ties" and tried really hard to make sure all of their fighters were ties. Oh they can't jump to light speed? Well here's a carrier for four. Just enough for each hero to kill one.
The carrier for four concept is pretty stupid idea. What exactly are 4 tie fighters going to do? and by the time they've scrambled, the target's halfway to the next system. And that's before talking about re-embarkation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escort_carrier
That is all. The gozer as seen is a multi role light craft. It's a support ship.
"Yes, a lot of the fluff in rebels doesn't make sense. But it's a TV show for kids. The good guys get to win, and it's the rule of cool, not the greatest war manual." Completely true. Hence we see levels of incompetence so great in the empire that it hurts our heads.
Also. Ordered.
But there are still millions of smaller capital ships. And also Victory Stardestroyers.
85 worlds per star destroyer, 1.7 mil ish total assumning the non-canon number. Big assumption.
Worlds.
As in planets.
As in not including check points, space platforms, asteroid fields, patrol routes, escort craft, convoys, the great unknown, nebulae etc etc etc etc.
There are millions of other craft, sure. But they can't all be everywhere. If the empire had 17 mil, they'd have only 10 ships for each world in the Empire. How many of those would be heavily armed cruisers? 1 maybe? i imagine at least 8/10 would be freighters.
Edited by DariusAPBhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escort_carrier
That is all. The gozer as seen is a multi role light craft. It's a support ship.
"Yes, a lot of the fluff in rebels doesn't make sense. But it's a TV show for kids. The good guys get to win, and it's the rule of cool, not the greatest war manual." Completely true. Hence we see levels of incompetence so great in the empire that it hurts our heads.
Rebels isn't the first place we've seen such incompetence from the Empire. Have you watched the first movie? You know, the one in which Vader is the only one who thinks it might be a good idea to launch some fighters when the Rebels attack the Death Star, and even then, it's just Vader and two other guys? And, faced with a credible threat, Tarkin neither boosts the station's defense nor considers evacuation. His incompetence cost the Empire probably millions of lives, to say nothing of the political fall out from his destruction of Alderaan, a major, highly populated world near the core. Tarkin was one of the Rebellion's best assets.
One squadron and the deathstar defences took out thirty rebel fighters it was a slaughter only space wizardry cost them the battle.
And during the escape they had orders to let them go hence only four fighters being sent.
When they boarded the tantive they wiped the floor with the rebels.
Hoth saw another major defeat.
In the films the empire was a serious threat to anyone not in plot armour, the same isn't true in rebels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escort_carrier
That is all. The gozer as seen is a multi role light craft. It's a support ship.
"Yes, a lot of the fluff in rebels doesn't make sense. But it's a TV show for kids. The good guys get to win, and it's the rule of cool, not the greatest war manual." Completely true. Hence we see levels of incompetence so great in the empire that it hurts our heads.
Rebels isn't the first place we've seen such incompetence from the Empire. Have you watched the first movie? You know, the one in which Vader is the only one who thinks it might be a good idea to launch some fighters when the Rebels attack the Death Star, and even then, it's just Vader and two other guys? And, faced with a credible threat, Tarkin neither boosts the station's defense nor considers evacuation. His incompetence cost the Empire probably millions of lives, to say nothing of the political fall out from his destruction of Alderaan, a major, highly populated world near the core. Tarkin was one of the Rebellion's best assets.
I'd argue that with Tarkin it was arrogance over incompetence. Not saying they didn't overlap, he just believed the death star was invulnerable.
I'd argue that with Tarkin it was arrogance over incompetence. Not saying they didn't overlap, he just believed the death star was invulnerable.
No they wouldn't.
That would be an extremely stupid thing to do "Yeah we only won because the opfor was stupid". No, oldcanonically they made Luke out to be a poster boy and hero. They were up against a technologically and numerically superior foe and WON. They were lucky, they were badass, but to demean ones enemy is to demean oneself.
No they wouldn't.
That would be an extremely stupid thing to do "Yeah we only won because the opfor was stupid". No, oldcanonically they made Luke out to be a poster boy and hero. They were up against a technologically and numerically superior foe and WON. They were lucky, they were badass, but to demean ones enemy is to demean oneself.
oldcanonically they made Luke out to be a poster boy and hero.
In the oldcanon Rebel Force series - they didn't, at least initially- they realised the Empire would target Luke - so they went to some lengths to keep his identity secret after Yavin. The Empire sent an agent- X-7 - to ferret out Luke.
In later canon however luke was referred to as "that guy on all the holovids". indicating that later on at least he was used as such.
Once the Empire had identified him, there stopped being a point in keeping him secret.
So as I said. He was used as a big **** hero. In oldcanon the Rebels BARELY survived Yavin. I'm not talking the Death Star either, the seige of yavin afterwards and the Imperial pursuit was brutal.
So as I said. He was used as a big **** hero. In oldcanon the Rebels BARELY survived Yavin. I'm not talking the Death Star either, the seige of yavin afterwards and the Imperial pursuit was brutal.
I loved how the comic strip showed the Executor built at Fondor despite the rebels efforts to sabatage the construction, then it's voyage to destroy the rebel fleet as they finally ran the Yavin blockade, all the while bombers were hitting the Massassi base constantly.