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I don't think gunboat should get a canon. Yes it's called a gunboat but it's not accurate to the Tie Fighter lore. It was more a tanky missile/torpedo platform and heavy dogfighters that was near equivalent to an xwing in manuvourability

A gunboat that can't ion isn't a gunboat.

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I don't think gunboat should get a canon. Yes it's called a gunboat but it's not accurate to the Tie Fighter lore. It was more a tanky missile/torpedo platform and heavy dogfighters that was near equivalent to an xwing in manuvourability

A gunboat that can't ion isn't a gunboat.

I may be misremembering, but couldn't most ships take Ion Cannons in those games?

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I don't think gunboat should get a canon. Yes it's called a gunboat but it's not accurate to the Tie Fighter lore. It was more a tanky missile/torpedo platform and heavy dogfighters that was near equivalent to an xwing in manuvourability

A gunboat that can't ion isn't a gunboat.

I may be misremembering, but couldn't most ships take Ion Cannons in those games?

you didn't take it, the ship either had it or didn't. And the ships that could were the Y-wing, b-wing, defender, and the Gunboat. The Gunboat, though had ioning as a good deal of its objectives. Disable this, capture that.

Hmm, maybe it's the B-Wing in thinking of. I'm picturing firing in semi-linked mode, where it fires two blues then two reds.

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I don't think gunboat should get a canon. Yes it's called a gunboat but it's not accurate to the Tie Fighter lore. It was more a tanky missile/torpedo platform and heavy dogfighters that was near equivalent to an xwing in manuvourability

A gunboat that can't ion isn't a gunboat.

I may be misremembering, but couldn't most ships take Ion Cannons in those games?

you didn't take it, the ship either had it or didn't. And the ships that could were the Y-wing, b-wing, defender, and the Gunboat. The Gunboat, though had ioning as a good deal of its objectives. Disable this, capture that.

Hmm, maybe it's the B-Wing in thinking of. I'm picturing firing in semi-linked mode, where it fires two blues then two reds.

The y wing and gunboat had 2 and 2 (so if you're thinking of red lasers and blues, it was a y wing, but I'm not sure they even had red lasers? Weren't they all yellow?) the B wing had 3 and 3 and the defender was 4 and 2

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I don't think gunboat should get a canon. Yes it's called a gunboat but it's not accurate to the Tie Fighter lore. It was more a tanky missile/torpedo platform and heavy dogfighters that was near equivalent to an xwing in manuvourability

A gunboat that can't ion isn't a gunboat.

I may be misremembering, but couldn't most ships take Ion Cannons in those games?

you didn't take it, the ship either had it or didn't. And the ships that could were the Y-wing, b-wing, defender, and the Gunboat. The Gunboat, though had ioning as a good deal of its objectives. Disable this, capture that.

Hmm, maybe it's the B-Wing in thinking of. I'm picturing firing in semi-linked mode, where it fires two blues then two reds.

I think you misunderstood, they didn't have an ion inplace of the normal canons, it was in addition to.

The y wing and gunboat had 2 and 2 (so if you're thinking of red lasers and blues, it was a y wing, but I'm not sure they even had red lasers? Weren't they all yellow?) the B wing had 3 and 3 and the defender was 4 and 2

Yeah, it may have been yellow. Heck, it's been quite some time, I really don't remember very well...

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I don't think gunboat should get a canon. Yes it's called a gunboat but it's not accurate to the Tie Fighter lore. It was more a tanky missile/torpedo platform and heavy dogfighters that was near equivalent to an xwing in manuvourability

A gunboat that can't ion isn't a gunboat.

I may be misremembering, but couldn't most ships take Ion Cannons in those games?

you didn't take it, the ship either had it or didn't. And the ships that could were the Y-wing, b-wing, defender, and the Gunboat. The Gunboat, though had ioning as a good deal of its objectives. Disable this, capture that.

Hmm, maybe it's the B-Wing in thinking of. I'm picturing firing in semi-linked mode, where it fires two blues then two reds.

I think you misunderstood, they didn't have an ion inplace of the normal canons, it was in addition to.

The y wing and gunboat had 2 and 2 (so if you're thinking of red lasers and blues, it was a y wing, but I'm not sure they even had red lasers? Weren't they all yellow?) the B wing had 3 and 3 and the defender was 4 and 2

Yeah, it may have been yellow. Heck, it's been quite some time, I really don't remember very well...

Aren't the Rebels lasers all red and the Imperial all green in the old space sims? (and Ion always blue)

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I don't think gunboat should get a canon. Yes it's called a gunboat but it's not accurate to the Tie Fighter lore. It was more a tanky missile/torpedo platform and heavy dogfighters that was near equivalent to an xwing in manuvourability

A gunboat that can't ion isn't a gunboat.

I may be misremembering, but couldn't most ships take Ion Cannons in those games?

you didn't take it, the ship either had it or didn't. And the ships that could were the Y-wing, b-wing, defender, and the Gunboat. The Gunboat, though had ioning as a good deal of its objectives. Disable this, capture that.

Hmm, maybe it's the B-Wing in thinking of. I'm picturing firing in semi-linked mode, where it fires two blues then two reds.

I think you misunderstood, they didn't have an ion inplace of the normal canons, it was in addition to.

The y wing and gunboat had 2 and 2 (so if you're thinking of red lasers and blues, it was a y wing, but I'm not sure they even had red lasers? Weren't they all yellow?) the B wing had 3 and 3 and the defender was 4 and 2

Yeah, it may have been yellow. Heck, it's been quite some time, I really don't remember very well...

Aren't the Rebels lasers all red and the Imperial all green in the old space sims? (and Ion always blue)

Correct.

I think the "Scum & Villainy" may have had yellow.

I always found it odd that ion cannon shots were blue in the games, when the only ion blasts we saw in the movies were red.

But I guess for a video game you need ion cannons and lasers to look distinctly different, and a different color is a lot more obvious than just the sort of comet-like appearance from ESB. Especially for Rebel ships that also have red lasers.

In the movies, at least the original ones, it sometimes hard to tell if what you are seeing is a ion blast (pic you provided), a rebel laser cannon blast, or a missile (especially from the Falcon and the A-Wings in ROTJ). Everything looks the same.

Out of the games, the Star Wars media has little consistence on how weapons look. Missiles looked like "red comets" in the OT, then in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith they look like warheads with blue trail. In The Force Awakens they are again red comets, but with a long trail of black smoke.

Torpedoes were cones with red trail in the OT, then in the Phantom Menace they look like blue energy balls, similar to the proton bombs in Empire Strikes Back. They look like almost the same in Rebels. But then in The Force Awakens they look like red comets again.

The ion cannon blasts in the video games and comics are blue. Even described that way specifcically in several novels.

The ion cannon blasts in the video games and comics are blue. Even described that way specifcically in several novels.

In this very game you can see blue ion blasts on the "Delta Squadron Pilot" TIE Defender art. Then the "Ion cannon turret" and "Ion cannon" cards depict red blasts. The "Ion cannon battery" card shows some kind of pink blasts.

I wish they stuck to some convention, like the video games did.

They are kinda purply in the movies and blue in the games. All the same though.. Isn't it ionic, don't you think, a little too ionic. and yeah I really do think. It's like raaiiiin on your we.... ok nevermind.

Correct.

I think the "Scum & Villainy" may have had yellow.

Good point. Generally speaking S&V (pirates and other thrash) in the X-Wing series had red lasers. This might have changed for Tyber Sue in Empire at War: FoC though.

Wasn't this all justified by an energy weapon being coloured depending on the colour of the focusing crystal, with Imperials using green, rebels red?

Kinda like how tracer rounds could have different colours?

Wasn't this all justified by an energy weapon being coloured depending on the colour of the focusing crystal, with Imperials using green, rebels red?

Yes, that was the justification. And it make sense (in a battle, you want to know who is shooting who).

Curiously, in the OT, sometimes TIEs appear shooting red lasers, like this TIE Interceptor shooting its chin cannons:

And yes, TIE Interceptors could bring even more guns than those 4 wingtip lasers.

Why would starfighter-scale ion cannons shoot the same color/style of energy bolts that big capital-scale ion cannons do?

Although, I think the Echo base forces may have had ion cannons in their artillery, the radar dish looking guns that made weird sounds look like they fire bolts resembling what the big ion gun was firing.

GUNBOAT shoots green and blue, and forever and always. And red missiles. Except when it's loaded with other stuff.

Curiously, in the OT, sometimes TIEs appear shooting red lasers, like this TIE Interceptor shooting its chin cannons:

And yes, TIE Interceptors could bring even more guns than those 4 wingtip lasers.

That feels so much like a retcon...

Sometimes we need to admit that the movies, especially the originals, were made by people that weren't Star Wars fans.

Yes, I mean it.

The TIE Interceptor shooting red lasers from the chin cannons looks to me like some SFX operator in 1982 getting some scenes just done, because the deadline was getting close and he had lots of SFX work still to do. So he didn't notice the ship was supposed to shoot differently, or he didn't care.

For example, look at this scene from Return of the Jedi (if you wanna check it yourself, it's here, minute 4:48):

By looking at the CR-90 corvette at the lower left corner we can safely state that the rebels either had an absurdly massive frigate, or that they had TIE Interceptor-sized CR-90 corvettes. Right?

No. It's just that someone didn't care much about the "geeky" stuff and just did their job good enough to get they paycheck and go home.

Curiously, in the OT, sometimes TIEs appear shooting red lasers, like this TIE Interceptor shooting its chin cannons:

And yes, TIE Interceptors could bring even more guns than those 4 wingtip lasers.

That feels so much like a retcon...

Sometimes we need to admit that the movies, especially the originals, were made by people that weren't Star Wars fans.

Yes, I mean it.

The TIE Interceptor shooting red lasers from the chin cannons looks to me like some SFX operator in 1982 getting some scenes just done, because the deadline was getting close and he had lots of SFX work still to do. So he didn't notice the ship was supposed to shoot differently, or he didn't care.

For example, look at this scene from Return of the Jedi (if you wanna check it yourself, it's here, minute 4:48):

By looking at the CR-90 corvette at the lower left corner we can safely state that the rebels either had an absurdly massive frigate, or that they had TIE Interceptor-sized CR-90 corvettes. Right?

No. It's just that someone didn't care much about the "geeky" stuff and just did their job good enough to get they paycheck and go home.

I wouldnt say that they didnt care about their jobs, that is a pretty big statement. But iwould say that they had to do what they were doing with models, which is much eaiser if you have kits and not using parts or making molds or the ships yourself. And then you also have to consider camera angles could have also been an issue for some of it. Maybe some were just trying o make agood battlescene with the models they had to use, and in a limited amunt of time, whil remembering many of the models they spent hours creating were inevitably going to be blown up with fireworks.

Lastly, I really wish when Lucas forced a bunch of CGI scenes into the re-done trilogy, that the computer graphics guys would have thrown in a Gunboat into the Battle of Endor somewhere.... Im so sad they didnt now that I think of this.

That feels so much like a retcon...

Well, yes, but it makes sense. Look at the TIE Interceptor: the chin cannons are there.

The new canonical Z-95 actually has 1 nose Ion Cannon.

I wish FFG releases something like this:

I went to the Wookiepedia article for the new canon Z-95 and it lists both concussion missiles and the ion canon as modifications. Would that mean it's one or the other? If so, the upgrade card should be to replace the missile icon with a cannon icon.

Which incidentally would also have the effect of duplicating Mara Jade's custom Z-95 from Legends.

The original Rogue Squadron game had one level where the X-Wing's torpedoes were replaced with an Ion Cannon. I think an upgrade replacing ordinance with cannon slots is a great idea. Wants.

Curiously, in the OT, sometimes TIEs appear shooting red lasers, like this TIE Interceptor shooting its chin cannons:

And yes, TIE Interceptors could bring even more guns than those 4 wingtip lasers.

That feels so much like a retcon...

Sometimes we need to admit that the movies, especially the originals, were made by people that weren't Star Wars fans.

Yes, I mean it.

The TIE Interceptor shooting red lasers from the chin cannons looks to me like some SFX operator in 1982 getting some scenes just done, because the deadline was getting close and he had lots of SFX work still to do. So he didn't notice the ship was supposed to shoot differently, or he didn't care.

For example, look at this scene from Return of the Jedi (if you wanna check it yourself, it's here, minute 4:48):

By looking at the CR-90 corvette at the lower left corner we can safely state that the rebels either had an absurdly massive frigate, or that they had TIE Interceptor-sized CR-90 corvettes. Right?

No. It's just that someone didn't care much about the "geeky" stuff and just did their job good enough to get they paycheck and go home.

There's no perspective in space because nothing's on a solid surface you can't tell where one thing is in relation to another.

There's no perspective in space because nothing's on a solid surface you can't tell where one thing is in relation to another.

Well, you can tell that the corvette is closer to the camera than the frigate because you can see it. Meaning that it is either really small, or the frigate really big.

Even if the corvette is "touching" the frigate, it looks about 10 times smaller than it should be.

That feels so much like a retcon...

Well, yes, but it makes sense. Look at the TIE Interceptor: the chin cannons are there.

Most TIEs have those two things there.

There is no consistent description of what those two "nipples" are.

In the TIE Fighter they are cannons.

In the TIE Defender they are warhead launchers.

In the TIE Advanced they are either cannons or... lights?

The TIE Bomber doesn't have those nipples. From where does it shoot its lasers?

Because there is not better explanation, I would take the one given in the TIE Fighter game. In the TIE Interceptor, they are warhead launchers.

Even when the standard load is zero most of the time, sometimes TIE Interceptors were equipped with a special load of 8 missiles. Perhaps that would explain why we see it shooting red "things" in that scene. They aren't lasers, but missiles looking like "red comets" (just like those from the A-Wings and Falcon in the same movie).

There's no perspective in space because nothing's on a solid surface you can't tell where one thing is in relation to another.

Well, you can tell that the corvette is closer to the camera than the frigate because you can see it. Meaning that it is either really small, or the frigate really big.

Even if the corvette is "touching" the frigate, it looks about 10 times smaller than it should be.

That's why I always found that argument silly. If there's a camera, there's a reference point. If there's an established scale for these things, we have our reference point. So anybody with two iota can figure out that something is amiss, y'know?