Crypt Keeper + Prophetess/Orb of Knowledge

By Dam the Man, in Talisman Rules Questions

Okay, so this combo happened today. Prophetess killed the Crypt Keeper and got to "search his tomb for treasure" (as per the CK text). But, that text also reads: "Draw the top 5 Adventure Cards..."

Both Prophetess and Orb of Knowledge work whenever you draw from the Adventure deck, so they should allow you to draw 5, discard 1 and draw a 6th card, looking for the best possible Object, right? Couple of things bug me though. First, they are worded as "discard one you do not wish to encounter". Secondly, the powers also state "you must encounter", when referring to the replacement. So say you draw 5 cards for CK, 1 Object, but not that good, if you use the power and draw a 6th card, which isn't an Object, can you then take the Object from the original 5, even though the power forces you to "encounter" the 6th? Which trumps, CK's wording of "Object" or Prophetess/Orb of Knowledge's "must"?

Checked the wording on Fiend Slayer/Prophesy, both of those "only" work when you land in a space where you draw Adventure cards. It might be that the Prophetess/Orb abilities are also "only" meant to work on spaces.

OT: Prophetess won that game basically through spell-cycling, first getting Transference, then Temporal Warp as the Sorceress was steaming through the Inner Region for the second time.

Dam said:

Okay, so this combo happened today. Prophetess killed the Crypt Keeper and got to "search his tomb for treasure" (as per the CK text). But, that text also reads: "Draw the top 5 Adventure Cards..."

Both Prophetess and Orb of Knowledge work whenever you draw from the Adventure deck, so they should allow you to draw 5, discard 1 and draw a 6th card, looking for the best possible Object, right? Couple of things bug me though. First, they are worded as "discard one you do not wish to encounter". Secondly, the powers also state "you must encounter", when referring to the replacement. So say you draw 5 cards for CK, 1 Object, but not that good, if you use the power and draw a 6th card, which isn't an Object, can you then take the Object from the original 5, even though the power forces you to "encounter" the 6th? Which trumps, CK's wording of "Object" or Prophetess/Orb of Knowledge's "must"?

Checked the wording on Fiend Slayer/Prophesy, both of those "only" work when you land in a space where you draw Adventure cards. It might be that the Prophetess/Orb abilities are also "only" meant to work on spaces.

It's a bit confusing if you apply the Prophetess ability to Crypt Keeper. The part of the ability that says "you do not wish to encounter(...)which you must encounter" suggests that it's applicable to encounters only. Crypt Keeper card draw is for a reward not for an encounter, this is my understanding.

Q: If the Prophetess kills the Crypt Keeper and searches his tomb for treasure, can she still use her special ability to discard one card of her choice and draw one more card to replace it? How about a character with the Orb of Knowledge?

A: Yes. However in this scenario the Prophetess is not required to encounter the replacement Adventure Card, as it is not a standard card draw.

Ell.

Good to know. It's a very rare occurence, but never know if there will be Crypt Keeper-ish Enemies in future expansions.