That's just the kind of stereotyping and slander that has made an attempt at peaceful negotiations a total bloodbath time and again.

Archery, smarchery! Those heroes looked so itchy in all those clothes. The poor Woses were just trying to help you scratch!

ah yes, itchiness, thanks again for all the help. Appreciated. You would be pleased to know that this had an immediate effect on all involved, the itchiness stopping remarkably quickly. Then the forest was a very peaceful place indeed, bodies lying quietly in their own little pools of red... except of course for the multitude of BUZZING FLIES helping to decompose the now itch free bodies... if, of course, they weren't stolen as well!! Do hope that the Wose enjoy the peaceful negotiations with bathing corpses...

Aaaaaagh, finally! We won!!!!

But we suffer during all the game until the end. Very funny.

We played very well, maybe the attacker player (monsophere tactics) not had good cards in hand. But other player (monolore deck) had good work healing, and the other 2 players (monosphere spirit) could play lots of cancels and one tracker, and me (no monolore.... ) could quest hard and play asfaloth.

We had problems with enemies, they weren't killed from staging (no hails of stones, etc., only Thalin the first rounds -after was killed-, and one tracker-bow after, but not enough to kill nobody from staging), i could play arwen and become one centinel to defend, any chump blocker, and aragorn (just last round died - oooooooh - by Wose boss).

Values: 241 score in 8 rounds (O.O, but without killing nobody from staging).

Well done! I really want to play this quest 4 player now as it sounds like a completely different experience. I don't think I've actually ever lost this quest but I play two handed (have lost one of the two players a few times however) and four player this looks to be absolutely punishing! That druadan hunter and glade of cleansing combo you showed is bad enough against two players but against 4 with archery 13 and 13 threat....... !

So we did this quest yesterday and I warned my buddies about it screaming fire & brimstone.

And you know what? It was actually not that bad.

We won on our second try, with rather a feel of control from stage 2 and onward.

1st try we played blindly, as always, and died the first round questing as 1 of the guys threat-out after all our characters where removed from the quest by a treachery. Ok, so we all took 2 questers each next game every round.

Maybe we got lucky, but the 2nd try went fine.

I was the only guy who had build a deck for it, as the others where too lazy, and used their decks from stewards fear.

And I must say, I was not the star of the show.

The mono spirit quest canon guy smashed through most of stage 3b with his willpower attacking.

I did not manage to get a single healer on the table. Prowl sucks.

Yet we could usually pull out, and kill off the woses each turn.

Fun quest really. We all agreed. Though prowl does suck...

Yes you die by the second round most times. I got to the third round once and thought I was a hero....wrote a thread on it way back when

It was extremely apparent that the whole heirs of Numenor cycle (including the deluxe base) were not play tested for 4 players at all

Glaurung,

Some advice my mate!

When you don't KNOW, don't speak

You look much more intelligent that way. And that advice my friend works in all languages

Here was the Thread http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/88026-4-player-difficulty/

Drúadan Forest and Assault on Osgiliath are my favourite quests now, probably not only out of Against the Shadow cycle.

But I almost always play two people, so the Forest is challenging but not as crazy as with four. There is an important aspect, threat really does not matter here, no Doomed and you want to engage the Woses anyway. So yes, the new Doomed cards seem especially fit, as do high starting threat decks that can deal with stuff. Also, Denethor has been the champion of the quest for me, especially in combination with Strider's Path (for nasty locations) and Expecting Mischief (killing immediately the Thief, and getting rid of his surge, and the Drummer, reducing the threat considerably; which is half of the enemies you will get). Direct Damage is great in general: the enemies have low hit points.

So if I had to make four decks, I would do this:

Lore Rangers with Denethor and healing; Gildor's Counsel is also a great card, as every encounter can lead to accumulating trouble.

Tactics direct damage deck, preferably with Thalin, even Beorning Beekeeper can be a winner then.

Very high questing deck, going all out willpower, it will be needed.

Global card draw deck, to engine the rest, Deep Knowledge on repeat with Scroll of Isildur, for instance.

Yes you die by the second round most times. I got to the third round once and thought I was a hero....wrote a thread on it way back when

It was extremely apparent that the whole heirs of Numenor cycle (including the deluxe base) were not play tested for 4 players at all

Glaurung,

Some advice my mate!

When you don't KNOW, don't speak

You look much more intelligent that way. And that advice my friend works in all languages

With heavy heart, I am inclined to agree that the play-testing must have been very poor for the cycle. I really do not want to sound ungrateful as I totally love the game but I cannot imagine taking two of the Second Breakfast decks (though I, again, like the entries very much) and have a decent chance against some of the quests here. And whether I am a talented player or not, I have been spending a lot of time on the game these past three years, so I should have enough experience in its execution.

I do have high hopes the Ring-maker cycle will be much better in this regard, though.

Yes you die by the second round most times. I got to the third round once and thought I was a hero....wrote a thread on it way back when

It was extremely apparent that the whole heirs of Numenor cycle (including the deluxe base) were not play tested for 4 players at all

Glaurung,

Some advice my mate!

When you don't KNOW, don't speak

You look much more intelligent that way. And that advice my friend works in all languages

you can see my video in youtube.... so you know how I play. I pretty sure wirh Elrond Glorifindel lore and 4 W of healing I will make it....

most of the players create problems where is no problem.

Foelr example..... if you are good player and your partner too but third player is moron and have a bad deck you wil lose a game. But us doesn't mean by 3 players is impossible..... hope you got what I mean......

But I think the question was, have you actually tried Drúadan Forest with 4 players -- regardless how many people were at the table? I haven't. I guess it must be cruelly difficult since already 2-player game is often very challenging and the scaling is just bad in favour of solo play. I think this is where many nay-saying about the quest comes from. Also, if one finds his skills superior, why trying to take the mechanically best deck to beat a quest?

Yes you die by the second round most times. I got to the third round once and thought I was a hero....wrote a thread on it way back when

It was extremely apparent that the whole heirs of Numenor cycle (including the deluxe base) were not play tested for 4 players at all

Glaurung,

Some advice my mate!

When you don't KNOW, don't speak

You look much more intelligent that way. And that advice my friend works in all languages

you can see my video in youtube.... so you know how I play. I pretty sure wirh Elrond Glorifindel lore and 4 W of healing I will make it....

most of the players create problems where is no problem.

Foelr example..... if you are good player and your partner too but third player is moron and have a bad deck you wil lose a game. But us doesn't mean by 3 players is impossible..... hope you got what I mean......

With a few notable exceptions, I usually am the moron at our table.

Yet we rarely lose a game.

I have Elrind and Glorfindel as the basis of one of the 4 decks

You don't actually get much of a chance to play allies Glaurung

It's all over very quickly

Same goes for Into Ithilien 4 Player

Just craziness

Do you remember you yourself once talked about playing a 4 player game and you were astounded at how the synergies of the encounter cards could just pile on and defeat you ?

This is that x 10

However. I can totally see that these quests play very differently in solo

You have a lot more control and not as many encounter deck effects to deal with

It is obvious that quests like Drúadan Forest have encounter sets that combo wonderfully. I can already see a very great difference between solo and 2-player.

Troymk, if you are still interested to keep trying it out, consider my advice above. I am not saying you will pull a win, but I am interested if it can be at least an improvement. Scouting the encounter deck can help, direct damage in combination with it, crazy willpower provided by one of the four (plus some decent willpower heroes in some of the others), and perhaps warden of healing somewhere as well. I think Legolas or someone for Hands Upon the Bow, and Hail of Stones are great to cut the Hunter before his archery is applied. I do not have much time for it now, but if you cannot, I might have to do it myself.

I have Elrind and Glorfindel as the basis of one of the 4 decks

You don't actually get much of a chance to play allies Glaurung

It's all over very quickly

Same goes for Into Ithilien 4 Player

Just craziness

Do you remember you yourself once talked about playing a 4 player game and you were astounded at how the synergies of the encounter cards could just pile on and defeat you ?

This is that x 10

However. I can totally see that these quests play very differently in solo

You have a lot more control and not as many encounter deck effects to deal with

Yes sure i remember and i already check Druadan Encounter deck and I'm pretty sure i can make it with Combo i use to explain already….. You can put allies into play as well not only you need to play them all the time……Sure is not easy anyway….. But heal is a key and put allies also is and use all your resources every round….. But there is some nasty cards like a locations (no gain resources) can lock you………..

And remember the time when i make Leadership/lore deck and won all almost all quest without any problem. But this time majority on this forum was sure you cannot make a successful deck without spirit and Test of will….. That why i start to make my video to show people is possible…….

Anyway i don't have any chance to play 4 players since in Bangkok we don't have some many players……we lucky when we can play by 3…… maybe octgn? But i have a mac so also no chance…….

Glaurung If you have the room you can do it yourself. To tinker my decks to being ready to hand to people, I play 4 Player Solo. Take up the dining room table

Come on glaurung, stop boasting as if you have just discovered universe. You keep saying you were the first one crying about Beravor and Protector of Lórien, even implying the errata might have come because of you. Now you are suddenly the first one having been able to win without Spirit. I am not saying you cannot play the game, you should just realize there are probably hundreds, maybe thousands of people capable of it. Also when you say this is the only serious way to play the game it is just, you know, your opinion. I am not to wreak havoc here, I am just saying there are always many different perspectives and one should tolerate those also that are not necessarily his own.

Glaurung If you have the room you can do it yourself. To tinker my decks to being ready to hand to people, I play 4 Player Solo. Take up the dining room table

Not so bad idea but I think my brain will blow up for sure....... maybe I will try..... but lose for sure then.....anyway maybe it is fun....

Come on glaurung, stop boasting as if you have just discovered universe. You keep saying you were the first one crying about Beravor and Protector of Lórien, even implying the errata might have come because of you. Now you are suddenly the first one having been able to win without Spirit. I am not saying you cannot play the game, you should just realize there are probably hundreds, maybe thousands of people capable of it. Also when you say this is the only serious way to play the game it is just, you know, your opinion. I am not to wreak havoc here, I am just saying there are always many different perspectives and one should tolerate those also that are not necessarily his own.

Yes even threat about the FAQ was name by someone Glaurung Errata.... sure it was not me.....

anyway I dont wont hurt your precious feeling so better I keep silence........ anyway there is no any constructivity in our conversation

I'm doing a 4 player quest through all 9 HoN & AtS Cycle. I remembered how hard this was and set it up in easy mode.

So,....

After being stripped relentlessly of all their resources Stars in Sky popped out and retracted everyone from the quest. + 23 Threat Game over Turn 1

(To add insult to injury each Hero had taken 2 damage already from Men in Dark x2)

I will give this one more try but it looks laughably unbalanced as we've discussed.

Glaurung - Lackey works great on a Mac.

Glaurung - Lackey works great on a Mac.

yes I do has it before..... should try again. Thanks

Tried this one YET again last night.

My guys quested for 21 and kept almost all their resources (and I had 2 A Test of Wills in hand) (and Gandalf Destroyed a Druadan Elite as he sneaked in for the quest)

However after some prowls removed 9-11 resources I was bereft. Between the locations and enemies revealed the Druadan were at 36 Threat, and 34 archery.

I resigned.

If FFG DO read these, Guys let me playtest 4 player for you MY GOD you need someone to!!!!!

Tried this one YET again last night.

My guys quested for 21 and kept almost all their resources (and I had 2 A Test of Wills in hand) (and Gandalf Destroyed a Druadan Elite as he sneaked in for the quest)

However after some prowls removed 9-11 resources I was bereft. Between the locations and enemies revealed the Druadan were at 36 Threat, and 34 archery.

I resigned.

If FFG DO read these, Guys let me playtest 4 player for you MY GOD you need someone to!!!!!

Sounds really brutal……...