Would this constitute too modified for a tourney?

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Would this constitute too modified for a tourney?

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Officially and technically, yes.

Under the general rule of TO's discretion, there's no question that it's a B-wing, and I doubt there could ever be a question that it's a B-wing, so I'd allow it in mine.

Probably not as you can easily set it up in the normal manner, but personally I would just ask 5 he TO and make sure it's acceptable.

As to the moved to center cockpit on the YT, I'm sure some of us will see the similarities between the 1300 and 2000 but to me they don't look alike at all.. The 2000 is a lot thicker, and the mandibles are very different as well. That said, I've been a Star Wars nerd for 40 years and have played all the Various RPGs, so some things don't always look the same to me.

I'm in the process of remodeling one of mine into the Solar Flare which looks slightly different but still retains the Yates look to it, and I will do one where I flip the cockpit to the port side which was a variant in one of the WEG RPG supplements.. so I'll end up with 4 different YTs in the end.

I know this isn't the official way to do it, but if you've bought the ship and upgrade cards you should be allowed to use them in a tournament.

I know this isn't the official way to do it, but if you've bought the ship and upgrade cards you should be allowed to use them in a tournament.

I would tend to agree as long as you can tell what the ship is supposed to be, even if you mod it up to hell and back. The first and second paragraph for the tourney rules on modified miniatures are actually in direct conflict. It's pretty easy to tell that they intend for the TO rules to take precedence so all of the language underneath are in effect guidelines for the TO, whether he/she chooses to follow them or not.

I believe that the rule to not allow mods (but repaints are ok) is to prevent a talented modeller from making up a ship, slapping it on a base, and calling it good to play with. Some new players wouldn't know if it was a true expansion or not.

I have no issue with a repaint, or a ship that is slightly modified from its current form. For example, at a tourney someone had an x-wing with closed "S" foils. It looked really neat but still was an x-wing. A rotated B-wing would still be fine for me as it is still identifiable as a B-wing.

If someone plopped down a YT-2000 that they modified from a YT-1300 I would know what was going on but not all players would. New players might think that it was some new expansion and had other abilities than those known in the game.

As long as you let them know it isn't a new ship and has all the same stats as the version you are using there shouldn't be an issue.. but someone might have issue.. so I guess always bring your unmodded ships and change out if you have to..

As long as you let them know it isn't a new ship and has all the same stats as the version you are using there shouldn't be an issue.. but someone might have issue.. so I guess always bring your unmodded ships and change out if you have to..

I agree to a certain point. Ultimately there's a pretty good sense in the rules that being a reasonable person is encouraged and I think history shows that as I've never had a problem no heard anyone having an issue with modded fighters. My only qualm when it comes to strict rules interpretation is that someone always points out that "someone might have an issue" context. I feel that people lose sight that playing this game against another person is actually a very democratic experience. If someone has a problem with something, its up to the players to work it out. If they do they both win and get to keep playing. If they don't they both lose and they both don't play against each. Tourney's kind of change things up but that's why you bring in the tie breaker in the TO. In short, just because someone has an issue with something, you don't automatically have to bow to their wishes.

Disclaimer: Oneway, I'm not attacking your opinion, it just seemed like a good segway to bring up my opinion.

No worries, I see your point.. I think much the same way.. The 2 players can agree and then enjoy a nice game, or disagree and have a less enjoyable time.. any time an official has to make the decisions it changes the experience. Any time you game against someone that you perceive as a problem it's going to change the days experience.. it's how you handle that player that can turn it around.. be it for rules issues or what ever..

"concern about a miniature not being legitimate"

That is enough of a reason.

Also, the ability to know what a ship is on first sight, and not having to ask someone what said ship is is another.

Yeah, little mods are not going to be problem, but where is the line drawn? you could end up with a 100 page addendum on what mods are OK, or just make one, no mods.

Common sense applies.

If someone has tossed an extra small railing on the Interceptor to make it look more "royal", bu all means. If it's some new monstrosity made out of extra bits and pasted to a stand, probably not.

Though in pick up games, who cares. Do what you want. The ship base has a card telling you what it is and the opponent also has a card in his play area.

I'm going to paste a little black tophat on my Tie Advanced ships. See if anyone has a problem with that.

The Ffg official tournaments are specifially designed for their products ; making it fair for others to compete using ships that are currently available...Anyone can use whatever they choose on private games ; with no fear of having their limbs being severed from their bodies...

I think the rule is there and should apply to both mods and repaints because a talentless fool like I would just sit there and be mesmerized by such awesome ships and the game would end in a draw since I never completed a single move.

Lol...best reponse Rookie.

"concern about a miniature not being legitimate"

That is enough of a reason.

Also, the ability to know what a ship is on first sight, and not having to ask someone what said ship is is another.

Yeah, little mods are not going to be problem, but where is the line drawn? you could end up with a 100 page addendum on what mods are OK, or just make one, no mods.

Common sense applies.

If someone has tossed an extra small railing on the Interceptor to make it look more "royal", bu all means. If it's some new monstrosity made out of extra bits and pasted to a stand, probably not.

Though in pick up games, who cares. Do what you want. The ship base has a card telling you what it is and the opponent also has a card in his play area.

I'm going to paste a little black tophat on my Tie Advanced ships. See if anyone has a problem with that.

I will only accept your top hatted ships if you also model a monocle over the view port. Anything but this will be intolerable and as such as I cannot accept it Sir!

I think i shall add a tophat to every ship i design from now on. And a monocle just so noone can complain about the rules giving an unfair advantage to monocle ships *L*

"concern about a miniature not being legitimate"

That is enough of a reason.

Also, the ability to know what a ship is on first sight, and not having to ask someone what said ship is is another.

Yeah, little mods are not going to be problem, but where is the line drawn? you could end up with a 100 page addendum on what mods are OK, or just make one, no mods.

Common sense applies.

If someone has tossed an extra small railing on the Interceptor to make it look more "royal", bu all means. If it's some new monstrosity made out of extra bits and pasted to a stand, probably not.

Though in pick up games, who cares. Do what you want. The ship base has a card telling you what it is and the opponent also has a card in his play area.

I'm going to paste a little black tophat on my Tie Advanced ships. See if anyone has a problem with that.

I will only accept your top hatted ships if you also model a monocle over the view port. Anything but this will be intolerable and as such as I cannot accept it Sir!

I will mod a small peanut, with shell, wearing a monocle, riding a Tie Advanced. Perhaps slightly bionic.

"Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology."

I was initially worried about the rule, which would prohibit my modified X-wing with moving S-foils. I wasn't going to mod the other two for the trio unless I got one more, so I could replace them if necessary.

Hopefully a TO will be willing to let this, frankly, low-level modification to the miniature into the game, because I'm sure it would be cool to set them up with their wings closed, then as soon as the battle begins open all their wings, like the beginning of the Battle of Yavin.

I was initially worried about the rule, which would prohibit my modified X-wing with moving S-foils. I wasn't going to mod the other two for the trio unless I got one more, so I could replace them if necessary.

Hopefully a TO will be willing to let this, frankly, low-level modification to the miniature into the game, because I'm sure it would be cool to set them up with their wings closed, then as soon as the battle begins open all their wings, like the beginning of the Battle of Yavin.

I could see someone confusing it with a Z95, especially if you're running them in the same squad. And in that case, I think the TO/opponent would be in their right to ask you to at a min open the S foils. So as long as they lock in place, I think you'll be fine MF. Likewise with the rotating B wings, if someone throws a fit, you can always just keep it upright and not rotate it (assuming you didn't glue it sideways in place).

Anyone who thinks that a rotated B-Wing doesn't represent a B-Wing is taking this game far to seriously. Same with the S-Foils.

Ships that look nothing like what they are supposed to be, that's a problem.

I am fairly sure that FFG set this rule so people would buy there ships and rightly so. I have to say though, with correct cards and bases and a modded original FFG model I really wouldn't care if you set them opposite me. In fact I'd be impressed :-)

I was initially worried about the rule, which would prohibit my modified X-wing with moving S-foils. I wasn't going to mod the other two for the trio unless I got one more, so I could replace them if necessary.

Hopefully a TO will be willing to let this, frankly, low-level modification to the miniature into the game, because I'm sure it would be cool to set them up with their wings closed, then as soon as the battle begins open all their wings, like the beginning of the Battle of Yavin.

I think it was pointed out before, and I agree, the no mods rule was put in place to protect FFG financials. They don't want people showing up with knock off or scratch built models because peeps need to buy the figs. I don't think FFG had any intention of people repositioning or customizing their ships so they would be more cinematic. If anyone gives you any trouble lay the smack down with some knowledge and point out that mods are allowed if they don't alter the "shape" of the ship. Movable wings mean you have the ability to the ship back into its original "shape" so no problem.

As for my modded B-Wing brethren, just point out that "shape" is technically an ambiguous term. Rotating the cockpit does't necessarily mean you change the shape of the ship depending on your interpretation of the term. You may feel silly about bringing this up but all is fair in a nerd fight over toy space ships. ex. Think of a circle with a defining mark at the very top; rotate it 90 degrees and even though it doesn't look the same it's still a circle; apply the same example to a rotated B-Wing.

"concern about a miniature not being legitimate"

That is enough of a reason.

Also, the ability to know what a ship is on first sight, and not having to ask someone what said ship is is another.

Yeah, little mods are not going to be problem, but where is the line drawn? you could end up with a 100 page addendum on what mods are OK, or just make one, no mods.

Common sense applies.

If someone has tossed an extra small railing on the Interceptor to make it look more "royal", bu all means. If it's some new monstrosity made out of extra bits and pasted to a stand, probably not.

Though in pick up games, who cares. Do what you want. The ship base has a card telling you what it is and the opponent also has a card in his play area.

I'm going to paste a little black tophat on my Tie Advanced ships. See if anyone has a problem with that.

I will only accept your top hatted ships if you also model a monocle over the view port. Anything but this will be intolerable and as such as I cannot accept it Sir!

Same with the S-Foils.

The only problem with the closed S-Foils would be once the Z-95's are out, and if you have a mixed squad of X's and Z's. Because then it could be difficult to keep it straight which are which. Maybe not a lot, but it could be the difference between win/loss if you aim at what you think is a Z-95 but was actually a X-Wing.

Same with the center mounted cockpit on the YT-1300, it looks enough like a YT-2000 that it could be confusing, when/if they come out with a YT-2000 anyway. Until that point I don't think it's an issue.

But as was said, provided you can lock the S-Foils in place there's no real issue here.

Anyone who complains about a B-Wing turned on it's side however, IMO doesn't have a leg to stand on. The shape hasn't changed at all, just the orientation retaliative to the table.

I think customization of official FFG miniatures in tourney's is a good thing. I love to see beautiful work on the table. If you are not sure of what the model is ask and look at the card base. Though with an FFG model conversion it would be nigh impossible to not know what it is.

I doubt we'll see a YT-2000 as it is so similar to a YT in stats, not looks.

At days end, it's a TO's call and I am cool with that call. Let's face it, it's only really the Falcon that lends itself to major mods and mostly the rebels who get repaints. (Firespray and Shuttle excepted).

I wouldn't mind seeing a separate contest (or even just a sanctioned "museum display area") at Official FFG tournaments for painted/modded ships that would not normally be acceptable as official game-pieces in the game. That way, players that have heavily modded ships would be welcomed to the tourney and able to show off their hard work.

On the rotated B-Wing "issue" that could easily be a case of a poorly mounted peg. The actual model may be completely unchanged but sometimes it may not sit on the stand "correctly" even straight from the package.