Seriously, if you can't tell the difference between a X wing and a Z95 you should get your eyes checked... There are more differences than similarities. The guns are different... The back area behind the cockpit. .. The closed wings on the X wing would be thicker... and I believe the X wing is longer...

Certain mods can change up the look of the ships, my Solar Flare YT is one of those, overall it will still have that YT feel to it, but it will be heavily moded. I could see someone being concerned with it though, and I would bring a unmoded ship just in case.

Personally I hope the TO is as big a fan of, not only the game, but Star Wars as I am and would allow remodeled ships in the tourney.

I think though, the smart gamer brings what he needs for the game, and what he needs to replace just in case there is a problem.. I think that comes under the 'fly casual' concept..

I think though, the smart gamer brings what he needs for the game, and what he needs to replace just in case there is a problem.. I think that comes under the 'fly casual' concept..

However, as you said, the smart player should have a unmodified backups just in case. I think many of the mods are not radical enough to cause a ripple, but folks showing up with wildly modified FFG ships should bring a backup. And don't bother showing up with Shapeways (etc.) models, but hopefully that goes without saying.

Seriously, if you can't tell the difference between a X wing and a Z95 you should get your eyes checked...

It's 2am and I've been playing X-Wing for the last 12 hours... If I make a mistake because you had the S-Foils closed and I thought I was looking at a Z-95, then yes the rules do apply in this case. How likely someone is to confuse a Z-95 for a X-Wing isn't the issue here. The fact that it can happen is reason enough to follow the rule.

Sure a X-Wing and Z-95 are hard to mistake, but not impossible and that's one of the reasons for the rule. To make sure there's little chance to mistake 1 model for another.

Seriously, if you can't tell the difference between a X wing and a Z95 you should get your eyes checked...

It's 2am and I've been playing X-Wing for the last 12 hours... If I make a mistake because you had the S-Foils closed and I thought I was looking at a Z-95, then yes the rules do apply in this case. How likely someone is to confuse a Z-95 for a X-Wing isn't the issue here. The fact that it can happen is reason enough to follow the rule.

Sure a X-Wing and Z-95 are hard to mistake, but not impossible and that's one of the reasons for the rule. To make sure there's little chance to mistake 1 model for another.

I guess I'm not getting it. The rule specifically states mods are allowed if they don't change the shape. An X-wing with movable s-foils can change its shape back to it original position.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that people could modify their ships to help them in their manuever phase. One idea I have that could easily be abused is to attach the colored, clear, acrylic rods to my ships to look like they are firing their weapons.

But what if i made these .5 movement, or 1 movement, or whatever. It would give me an advantage and my opponent might not see past the cool lasers. You could do the same thing when adjusting ships on their stands, or modifying their bodies even slightly to help you with the angles in the manuever phase.

It's much easier to just say modifications are not allowed, than to try to specify what kind of cheats people may come out with. Not everyone may take the game seriously, but if I pay to play in a tournament that has a prize the playing field should be even, and my b-wings shouldnt happen to be on their sides sticking out the exact distance a barrel roll would take me.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that people could modify their ships to help them in their manuever phase. One idea I have that could easily be abused is to attach the colored, clear, acrylic rods to my ships to look like they are firing their weapons.

But what if i made these .5 movement, or 1 movement, or whatever. It would give me an advantage and my opponent might not see past the cool lasers. You could do the same thing when adjusting ships on their stands, or modifying their bodies even slightly to help you with the angles in the manuever phase.

It's much easier to just say modifications are not allowed, than to try to specify what kind of cheats people may come out with. Not everyone may take the game seriously, but if I pay to play in a tournament that has a prize the playing field should be even, and my b-wings shouldnt happen to be on their sides sticking out the exact distance a barrel roll would take me.

Using that logic, we should only be allowed to play on plain black mats because someone could measure the stars and figure out distances, Or maybe we should disallow repaints because someone could just paint their ships matte black to gain an advantage from confusion between an advanced and a bomber. You don't write rules to catch cheaters because they will always find a way to cheat. The rules are created to play the game and be fun for both parties.

An X-wing with movable s-foils can change its shape back to it original position.

Yeah that's kinda the whole point though... If you mod them so you can lock them open or closed. They should be open for the sake of clarity.

Even then it would only matter IMO if you had a list with both X's and Z's. If it was a XXXX list, or even a XXBB list there wouldn't be an issue with them open or closed.

Mods would only be an issue IMO if there was a chance that they could cause you to confuse one ship for another.

I think people are getting caught up a bit on fringe cases here.

The first rule seems to be "Check with the TO." The rest of the rule is really just there to give the TO an out if he feels it's borderline.

Lets say I mod some Tie Fighters so they have extended panels in the front, so they sorta look like Interceptors but only just. The TO might allow them or he might not. But if I get pissy with him, he can point at the rule and that's the end of it.

Seriously, if you can't tell the difference between a X wing and a Z95 you should get your eyes checked...

It's 2am and I've been playing X-Wing for the last 12 hours... If I make a mistake because you had the S-Foils closed and I thought I was looking at a Z-95, then yes the rules do apply in this case. How likely someone is to confuse a Z-95 for a X-Wing isn't the issue here. The fact that it can happen is reason enough to follow the rule.

Sure a X-Wing and Z-95 are hard to mistake, but not impossible and that's one of the reasons for the rule. To make sure there's little chance to mistake 1 model for another.

I doubt this would happen in my case, because I'm well aware that X-wings need their wings open to attack position before they can fire their lasers, and I would make sure they were before turn 2.

Using that logic, we should only be allowed to play on plain black mats because someone could measure the stars and figure out distances, Or maybe we should disallow repaints because someone could just paint their ships matte black to gain an advantage from confusion between an advanced and a bomber. You don't write rules to catch cheaters because they will always find a way to cheat. The rules are created to play the game and be fun for both parties.

Actually, when you put it that way the game really SHOULD always be played on some plain, nondescript, mat. I sure could see creating a custom mat that is full of stars where the placement of those starts is anything but random. Of course you get to measure when placing Asteroids and people use those as movement guides as well.

One may think the two are completely unrelated but in some ways the restrictions against modifications of any sort to the model is a lot like measuring restrictions when you run into someone who gets really offended anytime someone even looks at a template out of turn.

Using that logic, we should only be allowed to play on plain black mats because someone could measure the stars and figure out distances, Or maybe we should disallow repaints because someone could just paint their ships matte black to gain an advantage from confusion between an advanced and a bomber. You don't write rules to catch cheaters because they will always find a way to cheat. The rules are created to play the game and be fun for both parties.

Actually, when you put it that way the game really SHOULD always be played on some plain, nondescript, mat. I sure could see creating a custom mat that is full of stars where the placement of those starts is anything but random. Of course you get to measure when placing Asteroids and people use those as movement guides as well.

One may think the two are completely unrelated but in some ways the restrictions against modifications of any sort to the model is a lot like measuring restrictions when you run into someone who gets really offended anytime someone even looks at a template out of turn.

But that isn't an unfair advantage, neither is the mat with spaced starfields.. both players can benefit from it...

Honestly, some of the comments have been rather wild and silly. No one is gonna let someone put crazy laser blasts on their ships and gain an advantage.. the topic is simple, and I think we've answered it fairly in a few good posts here.

TO consent is first and foremost what is important, and not making a modification that so changes a ships profile that it can't be recognizable as the orifinal concept...

Eltnot's Guide to WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get)

Having played in miniature wargaming tournaments for several years, I have encountered quite a few conversions over my time. Acceptance of these conversions basically comes down to a few factors which I will outline here that helps you to determine if something is acceptable.

Repaints:

There is nothing wrong with repaints. A TIE fighter painted pink is still a TIE fighter. There are no issues with this.

Conversions:

Conversions are generally fine so long as the miniature remains roughly close to the same size as the original. In X-Wing this restriction is relaxed even further due to measuring everything from the base and line of sight to models isn't used.

Alternate/scratchbuilt models.:

This is generally where things get a bit more confusing but there is a simple way to work out if it is acceptable and that is the "rule of cool". Basically an alternate or scratchbuild is fine if it makes sense, is a similar size and would have similar properties. Here's some examples:

Using a Wizkids Bounty Hunter model instead of a real Bounty Hunter is just being cheap. You're using a product that is poorly made and isn't to scale when there is a perfectly good official model available.

Using a different model that is close to scale as a YT-1300, similar in properties and fielded as a YT-1300 would be fine (ie using a similar sized armed freight instead).

Using a Droid fighter mixed in with your TIE fighters wouldn't make sense and is silly despite it being the same size and having similar properties.

Using the same droid fighter models to replace all of TIE\ln's and using other Droid ships to represent other similar Imperial ships, that's cool.

Repaints and conversions of official models are acceptable at all tournaments. Using alternate models at some events may be an issue and it is worth checking with the event organiser first.

Eltnot's Guide to WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get)

Having played in miniature wargaming tournaments for several years, I have encountered quite a few conversions over my time. Acceptance of these conversions basically comes down to a few factors which I will outline here that helps you to determine if something is acceptable.

Repaints:

There is nothing wrong with repaints. A TIE fighter painted pink is still a TIE fighter. There are no issues with this.

Conversions:

Conversions are generally fine so long as the miniature remains roughly close to the same size as the original. In X-Wing this restriction is relaxed even further due to measuring everything from the base and line of sight to models isn't used.

Alternate/scratchbuilt models.:

This is generally where things get a bit more confusing but there is a simple way to work out if it is acceptable and that is the "rule of cool". Basically an alternate or scratchbuild is fine if it makes sense, is a similar size and would have similar properties. Here's some examples:

Using a Wizkids Bounty Hunter model instead of a real Bounty Hunter is just being cheap. You're using a product that is poorly made and isn't to scale when there is a perfectly good official model available.

Using a different model that is close to scale as a YT-1300, similar in properties and fielded as a YT-1300 would be fine (ie using a similar sized armed freight instead).

Using a Droid fighter mixed in with your TIE fighters wouldn't make sense and is silly despite it being the same size and having similar properties.

Using the same droid fighter models to replace all of TIE\ln's and using other Droid ships to represent other similar Imperial ships, that's cool.

Repaints and conversions of official models are acceptable at all tournaments. Using alternate models at some events may be an issue and it is worth checking with the event organiser first.

I agree. I come from a WFB/40K background where some people got really crazy with the WYSIWYG requirements. I'm just surprised to see it pop up in this game to the point where some think you should have a backup model for your converted one just in case someone has a problem.

Eltnot's Guide to WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get)

Having played in miniature wargaming tournaments for several years, I have encountered quite a few conversions over my time. Acceptance of these conversions basically comes down to a few factors which I will outline here that helps you to determine if something is acceptable.

Repaints:

There is nothing wrong with repaints. A TIE fighter painted pink is still a TIE fighter. There are no issues with this.

Conversions:

Conversions are generally fine so long as the miniature remains roughly close to the same size as the original. In X-Wing this restriction is relaxed even further due to measuring everything from the base and line of sight to models isn't used.

Alternate/scratchbuilt models.:

This is generally where things get a bit more confusing but there is a simple way to work out if it is acceptable and that is the "rule of cool". Basically an alternate or scratchbuild is fine if it makes sense, is a similar size and would have similar properties. Here's some examples:

Using a Wizkids Bounty Hunter model instead of a real Bounty Hunter is just being cheap. You're using a product that is poorly made and isn't to scale when there is a perfectly good official model available.

Using a different model that is close to scale as a YT-1300, similar in properties and fielded as a YT-1300 would be fine (ie using a similar sized armed freight instead).

Using a Droid fighter mixed in with your TIE fighters wouldn't make sense and is silly despite it being the same size and having similar properties.

Using the same droid fighter models to replace all of TIE\ln's and using other Droid ships to represent other similar Imperial ships, that's cool.

Repaints and conversions of official models are acceptable at all tournaments. Using alternate models at some events may be an issue and it is worth checking with the event organiser first.

I agree. I come from a WFB/40K background where some people got really crazy with the WYSIWYG requirements. I'm just surprised to see it pop up in this game to the point where some think you should have a backup model for your converted one just in case someone has a problem.

Win at all cost types of players will scream 'heresy!!' at any thing that they suspect might casue a loss to them, imagined or real. These are the worst types of people to play with and tend to be the most obsessed with things like WYSIWYG. When you encounter these types of players, you simply do not play with them. Eventually they will either have to learn to behave better or they will only be able to play with like-minded players, while the rest of the fanbase has fun