I'm sure I've seen the ghost somewhere before... It's very similar to the Smugglers ship from SWTOR

Yeah this ship is 100 meters long...

The 2d animated clone wars was one of the best cartoons ever made IMO. Yes I'm a star wars fanatic, but that cartoon hit all the nails perfectly. Yoda and Windu going ape sh*t was incredible.

Haven't seen anything about the rebels show but I'll check out the link above.

Star Wars rebels is going to be a must watch! Clone wars season 6 looks to be the best one. I just saw the trailer today. I can't wait for it to drop on net flicks on the 7th.

I like all the characters except for the girl and the alladin clone. Not every female characters needs to be this new age spunky type. Its played out already. And when life and death is hanging in the balance you're running around spray painting? Give me a break..

Not all star wars fans are 12 years old. This is what I'm scared of when it comes to Disney. Star wars is too "mature" to be a Disney property.

Yes, because Disney has not been able to handle mature stories or subjects at all in their vast history. We'll leave out Pirates of the Caribbean to make the argument fair.

Seriously, this is a kids cartoon. That doesn't mean it won't be good or have some maturity, but I think some expectations are out of order.

2 of the 3 pirate movies were silly money grabs. And terrible movies to boot.

I'm sure I've seen the ghost somewhere before... It's very similar to the Smugglers ship from SWTOR

The Ebon Hawk!

I have so many feels for this ship!

On topic though, I like the look of Rebels, and wouldn't have a problem if FFG wanted to include a ship or two. Certainly wouldn't say no to Ghost! :L

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo thatsnottheebonhawk

TOR takes place 3k years before the original trilogy, not 4.5k like KOTOR. That's... That's some bastard child of the hawk and falcon.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Dude, Sabine's the best! Y'know why?

When have we seen a main character in star wars that's an artist before? And Star Wars, too mature?

...Y'mean with the teddy bears and the whistling and booping droids, and the little glowy eyed hooded men, on top of magic?

Let's not kid ourselves here.

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Disney can handle mature I.P.s very well. Avengers was fantastic, subsequent films seem REALLY good, and sod it, Disney films themselves, the classics have some seriously dark undertones in them! Let's take the little mermaid for instance.

Like. Ursula. Oh god. Stealing souls and promising young wayward and unfortunate souls exactly what they want, but actively sabotaging it so she can hold their souls and use them in... Whatever horrible things she wants to do with them? Good god .

And that's just one example. Disney can handle dark undertones really, really well. Another case to make is, Star Wars was based on myths and legends, and classic stories of valor, honor and heroism. Japanese films of old with samurai, world war II films and tones, and some western elements. But then you've got your warrior with his magic sword that can best any foe taking on a great evil and so on. Swashbuckling rogues that use a blaster in place of a foil, princesses who can hold their own, hordes of faceless men fighting for evil.

Y'know, all that stuff.

Disney is very good at telling "legendary" type stories and tales. Star Wars could not be in better hands.

2 of the 3 pirate movies were silly money grabs. And terrible movies to boot.

That in no way refutes his point, or all the rest people have made. Disney has done plenty of mature licenses, many of them more mature than Star Wars. Claiming Star Wars is too "mature" for Disney is just not a very strong argument.

2 of the 3 pirate movies were silly money grabs. And terrible movies to boot.

Correction: 3 of the 4 pirates movies.

Let's not forget the one with the fountain of youth and the mermaids. *shudders*

Look I think Disney is an incredible company. I purposely quoted the word mature because I couldn't think of the proper term. Yes, star wars has teddy bears. But it also has people dying left and right, being force choked, fried from lightning, shot, slaughtering of children, cut in half, dismembered and you know, mass genocide of entire planets. To me, star wars has always been more grey or dark with the right amount of comic relief (teddy bears).

Is anyone really going to defend that a spunky mandalorian that goes around spray painting fits this universe? Come on now.

To each, his own..

Edit- I feel I need to add that I own about 30 blu ray Disney movies. So I am by far not a hater of the company and none of this is coming from a biased opinion in that regard.

Look I think Disney is an incredible company. I purposely quoted the word mature because I couldn't think of the proper term. Yes, star wars has teddy bears. But it also has people dying left and right, being force choked, fried from lightning, shot, slaughtering of children, cut in half, dismembered and you know, mass genocide of entire planets. To me, star wars has always been more grey or dark with the right amount of comic relief (teddy bears).

Is anyone really going to defend that a spunky mandalorian that goes around spray painting fits this universe? Come on now.

To each, his own..

Edit- I feel I need to add that I own about 30 blu ray Disney movies. So I am by far not a hater of the company and none of this is coming from a biased opinion in that regard.

Yeah. Yeah, I'll defend that. Entirely due to the fact that this mando very clearly wasn't raised traditionally, and has no regard for the law. It is okay to deviate from the formula sometimes . That's Seriously perfectly okay. It is okay to be different.

Y'see, you bring up all the stuff star wars does that's grim... Okay, so... What about when someone's not fighting? It's not like Han Solo checks his blasters 24/7 and Chewie practices his intimidating growls.

The dudes play Dejarik. That's literally canon.

So what's so hard to believe about a young lady with an expressive side she uses to both decorate herself, her room, and stick it to the man? Sticking it to the man is precsely what a young rebel would do.

Treat Star Wars as a real, living, breathing world. Where there's not always war, fighting, explosions. Where people are still people and have the things they enjoy doing in their free time, or just like to do whenever. Not every shop in Star Wars is an armory or vehicle depot, there's clubs and restaurants, shows and auditoriums... Because Star Wars is a living, breathing world.

With people of a similar function.

...So, tell me again, what's wrong with this concept, if you want to make characters who are more than walking weapons?

Yeah, I love that one of the characters is a graffiti artist, what I can't stand is that, because she's a girl, they had to put her in a pink helmet.

Look I think Disney is an incredible company. I purposely quoted the word mature because I couldn't think of the proper term. Yes, star wars has teddy bears. But it also has people dying left and right, being force choked, fried from lightning, shot, slaughtering of children, cut in half, dismembered and you know, mass genocide of entire planets. To me, star wars has always been more grey or dark with the right amount of comic relief (teddy bears).

Is anyone really going to defend that a spunky mandalorian that goes around spray painting fits this universe? Come on now.

To each, his own..

I don't understand? This paragraph you wrote itself sounds like it is defending the character concept.

If we were to pretend that Star Wars didn't have any campy or downright silliness to it then we'd be kidding ourselves here. It's not 1960's Batman, but for the love of god, half the cast of Return of the Jedi were either puppets (Muppet, I suppose) or people in costumes. HALF of the main characters are odd looking and sounding droids or Chewbacca, which is a dog/apeman who uses a crossbow that shoots laser beams. It's so silly but so awesome in that it's something that a kid might think up but is actually kind of cool. That's half of the fun of Star Wars: you have quirky and odd people who are caught in dire situations that are full of slightly narmy dialogue but have a piss and vinegar spunk to them.

If you don't like it then I guess it's your own loss. More for the rest of us.

Yeah, I love that one of the characters is a graffiti artist, what I can't stand is that, because she's a girl, they had to put her in a pink helmet.

She likes Pink, I guess. I think it's more, she likes vibrant colors rather than liking pink because lolestrogen, or some reason like that.

I mean it's a pretty loud color, and I dunno' about you but I'd totally tag a TIE fighter with a pink starbird.

Personally I'm super excited about her character. And yes, a graffiti artist is exactly what I expect in that situation. I expect there are many in the Empire. She's a young rebel, it makes perfect sense.

You make the statement, "Is anyone really going to defend that a spunky mandalorian that goes around spray painting fits this universe? Come on now."

Honestly, I think you are in the minority here. She's a cool character, unique and different from what we've seen before, but that's a GOOD thing, and the concept is perfectly suited to the source material.

Yeah, I love that one of the characters is a graffiti artist, what I can't stand is that, because she's a girl, they had to put her in a pink helmet.

She likes Pink, I guess. I think it's more, she likes vibrant colors rather than liking pink because lolestrogen, or some reason like that.

I mean it's a pretty loud color, and I dunno' about you but I'd totally tag a TIE fighter with a pink starbird.

I was not a fan of her color scheme at first. Then I got to thinking... The Empire is very uniform with everything that they do. Everyone dresses in monochrome. Stormtrooper armor is white, Vader's suit is black, Imperial Officers wear grey, Pilots wear black, their ships are grey and black... They are very much all about non-vibrant colors.

Now I see a reason for the bright neon coloring she tends to use.

I think this view on whats mature and what is for children is greatly influenced by the standarts set by Motion picture association of Amercia. When rating films these guy compares the films overall story with the scenes within.... Like ANH is PG, there is scenes of violence, killings and the death of a beloved menthor. But the movie ends on a happy noted, because Death star is gone. ROTS is PG 13, the movie have scenes of violence, killings and deaths of beloved allies, the overall feeling of the ending is dispare.

Disney is the master of making film and cartoons for children, no doubt about it, which is the reason they change endings from the sources material so the movies can have a happy ending or at least an ending which is not totally sad. (Which make the movies suitable for children in their view)

Take the case of the aforementioned ”The little Mermaid” which is a old and beloved story written by H.C. Anderson(His childrenstorys are often cruel and have really sad endings) in the original story Ariel don't get her prince and she is forced to stay on land where she feels miserable.

Or take the story about poor young Pocahontes (age 11-13 when she meet John Smith(30)) she died of variole(age 21).(Don't know if these facts is historical correct- Early american history is quite complex, undifferentiated and tricky because most of the written sources comes from European colonists)

Disney's most mature material is in my view the first 20 mins of UP, It was the most heartbreaking, romantic stuff.

Ps. know that this have nothing to do with rebels besides Disney owns Starwars, I think the tone of Rebels will feel like The clone wars cartoon, a bit to much focused toward young children, which is futhermore inevitably when starwars is owned by Disney.

I think this view on whats mature and what is for children is greatly influenced by the standarts set by Motion picture association of Amercia. When rating films these guy compares the films overall story with the scenes within.... Like ANH is PG, there is scenes of violence, killings and the death of a beloved menthor. But the movie ends on a happy noted, because Death star is gone. ROTS is PG 13, the movie have scenes of violence, killings and deaths of beloved allies, the overall feeling of the ending is dispare.

Disney is the master of making film and cartoons for children, no doubt about it, which is the reason they change endings from the sources material so the movies can have a happy ending or at least an ending which is not totally sad. (Which make the movies suitable for children in their view)

Take the case of the aforementioned ”The little Mermaid” which is a old and beloved story written by H.C. Anderson(His childrenstorys are often cruel and have really sad endings) in the original story Ariel don't get her prince and she is forced to stay on land where she feels miserable.

Or take the story about poor young Pocahontes (age 11-13 when she meet John Smith(30)) she died of variole(age 21).(Don't know if these facts is historical correct- Early american history is quite complex, undifferentiated and tricky because most of the written sources comes from European colonists)

Disney's most mature material is in my view the first 20 mins of UP, It was the most heartbreaking, romantic stuff.

Ps. know that this have nothing to do with rebels besides Disney owns Starwars, I think the tone of Rebels will feel like The clone wars cartoon, a bit to much focused toward young children, which is futhermore inevitably when starwars is owned by Disney.

Like many people do, you seem to be focusing only on the Disney cartoon movies as a representative of what Disney can/has made. They've done a LOT of other stuff too, including:

• The Marvel superhero movies (Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America, etc.)
• The Pirates movies
• John Carter
• Saving Mister Banks
• The Odd Life of Timothy Green
• Chronicles of Narnia
• National Treasure
• Bridge to Terabithia
• Eight Below
• Glory Road
• Etc.

And those are just a few within the last ten years or so. Cartoons are ONE type of movie DIsney does, but hardly representative of the scope of movies they can make.

Linking Rebels being aimed at kids to Disney seems off as well. Clone Wars was JUSt as aimed at kids, and it was made under Lucas.

These arguments feel more like emotional reactions than strong arguments. Disney is as well equipped, if not better equipped, to handle Star Wars as any other company out there. Definitely better equipped to handle it than George Lucas is at this point, which isn't a knock against him so much as a recognition that it is a bad situation to have someone with his level of power, control, and investment in a franchise directing it.

And I'm not saying Disney can do no wrong, there is every possibility that they will produce bad movies. But the arguments that they are unsuited to handle Star Wars are largely fallacious and without foundation.

Good point... that I mostly thougth about the classic Disney Cartoons/animated movies, like Snowwhite, Dumbo or Peter Pan.

I don't know the "Odd life of Timothy Green" or "Saving mister banks".... Is they worth wacthing?

I liked Avengers, It was rather fun.... HULK

and is super stoked about Guardings of the galaxy, I always loved Groot and Racoon because of Mike Mignola, but have not read any of the comics....

I am not saing that Disney does not make great movies, they do....Mary poppins is a classic IMO.

But I still claim that Disney's modus operatus is that film has to be "light" or the protagonist have to be/or become a good guy(moral speaking), which points toward a certain view on the kinds of stories which Disney choose to tell and who they regards as their core audience . Disney will never make a movie about the life of Hitler or a movie like Taxi driver. And if they did they would change it like the case of the little mermaid.

I have no problem with disney( except the case about the tarzan trademark a couple years ago)

Sure, I would agree that there are many movie types Disney just doesn't make. But the thing about Star Wars it fits pretty firmly within the types of movies Disney does very well.

Haven't watched Timothy Green, Saving Mister Banks was great. It's about the making of Marry Poppins, and they actually demonstrate that, yes, Walt Disney could be quite the ******, though they still tone it down a bit.

Anyways, yeah, I'm just saying the argument that Star Wars is too mature for Disney, or that Disney only makes movies focused at little kids is incorrect. While they don't do really edgy stuff, or incredibly dark stuff, they do, do a lot of mature stuff, and the Star Wars franchise fits right in with the types of movies they do.

Is anyone really going to defend that a spunky mandalorian that goes around spray painting fits this universe?

The idea of a underground freedom fighter group making it's mark when ever it strikes against the repressive government forces is Very fitting.

It's their way of letting the people know that there are those who are fighting against the regime, and that they too can rise up against them.

It's not like we've never seen such a thing done in history or other fiction before.

Yeah, I love that one of the characters is a graffiti artist, what I can't stand is that, because she's a girl, they had to put her in a pink helmet.

If anyone has a problem with violent females in pink helmets, strap on some skates, start turning left, and then we can have a discussion! In life off the track, I don't wear pink (it's not a good colour for me). But when I play roller derby, I always wear neon pink fishnets and a sparkle magenta helmet with gold leopard spots and cat ears sticking out of the vent holes =^,^=

Absolutely everything we've seen about Sabine is totally derby <3

Sure, I would agree that there are many movie types Disney just doesn't make. But the thing about Star Wars it fits pretty firmly within the types of movies Disney does very well.

Haven't watched Timothy Green, Saving Mister Banks was great. It's about the making of Marry Poppins, and they actually demonstrate that, yes, Walt Disney could be quite the ******, though they still tone it down a bit.

Anyways, yeah, I'm just saying the argument that Star Wars is too mature for Disney, or that Disney only makes movies focused at little kids is incorrect. While they don't do really edgy stuff, or incredibly dark stuff, they do, do a lot of mature stuff, and the Star Wars franchise fits right in with the types of movies they do.

Make sure to open the categories tab to see all the instances. Also spoilers if you haven't seen every Disney movie out there.

I think this view on whats mature and what is for children is greatly influenced by the standarts set by Motion picture association of Amercia. When rating films these guy compares the films overall story with the scenes within.... Like ANH is PG, there is scenes of violence, killings and the death of a beloved menthor. But the movie ends on a happy noted, because Death star is gone. ROTS is PG 13, the movie have scenes of violence, killings and deaths of beloved allies, the overall feeling of the ending is dispare.

Disney is the master of making film and cartoons for children, no doubt about it, which is the reason they change endings from the sources material so the movies can have a happy ending or at least an ending which is not totally sad. (Which make the movies suitable for children in their view)

Take the case of the aforementioned ”The little Mermaid” which is a old and beloved story written by H.C. Anderson(His childrenstorys are often cruel and have really sad endings) in the original story Ariel don't get her prince and she is forced to stay on land where she feels miserable.

Or take the story about poor young Pocahontes (age 11-13 when she meet John Smith(30)) she died of variole(age 21).(Don't know if these facts is historical correct- Early american history is quite complex, undifferentiated and tricky because most of the written sources comes from European colonists)

Disney's most mature material is in my view the first 20 mins of UP, It was the most heartbreaking, romantic stuff.

Ps. know that this have nothing to do with rebels besides Disney owns Starwars, I think the tone of Rebels will feel like The clone wars cartoon, a bit to much focused toward young children, which is futhermore inevitably when starwars is owned by Disney.

Something to factor in to that is that the PG-13 rating didn't exist when ANH came out.

I think this view on whats mature and what is for children is greatly influenced by the standarts set by Motion picture association of Amercia. When rating films these guy compares the films overall story with the scenes within.... Like ANH is PG, there is scenes of violence, killings and the death of a beloved menthor. But the movie ends on a happy noted, because Death star is gone. ROTS is PG 13, the movie have scenes of violence, killings and deaths of beloved allies, the overall feeling of the ending is dispare.

Disney is the master of making film and cartoons for children, no doubt about it, which is the reason they change endings from the sources material so the movies can have a happy ending or at least an ending which is not totally sad. (Which make the movies suitable for children in their view)

Take the case of the aforementioned ”The little Mermaid” which is a old and beloved story written by H.C. Anderson(His childrenstorys are often cruel and have really sad endings) in the original story Ariel don't get her prince and she is forced to stay on land where she feels miserable.

Or take the story about poor young Pocahontes (age 11-13 when she meet John Smith(30)) she died of variole(age 21).(Don't know if these facts is historical correct- Early american history is quite complex, undifferentiated and tricky because most of the written sources comes from European colonists)

Disney's most mature material is in my view the first 20 mins of UP, It was the most heartbreaking, romantic stuff.

Ps. know that this have nothing to do with rebels besides Disney owns Starwars, I think the tone of Rebels will feel like The clone wars cartoon, a bit to much focused toward young children, which is futhermore inevitably when starwars is owned by Disney.

Something to factor in to that is that the PG-13 rating didn't exist when ANH came out.

Well the only Star Wars that was PG-13 was Revenge and that was for pretty obvious reasons.