Hama traps

By camacazio, in Strategy and deck-building

The idea here is that it is always nice to be able to cycle quick strike or feint from Hama, but if only he could make the best of that spear of the mark! The thought I had was to get ithilien pit out there, hit with Hama, and use Anborn to cycle the pit. Forth Eorlingas is in there too for a couple extra chances to hit from the staging area while threat is still low, which is the first time I've had success with the event. It isn't the most deadly approach, but it is fun, especially when you are able to cycle a pit and then kill something with Hama several turns in a row. It is a little weak on questing for solo, though.


Hero (3)

Bifur (KD) x1

Mirlonde (TDF) x1

Hama (TLD) x1



Ally (25)

Anborn (TBoG) x3

Guthlaf (TBoG) x3

Gleowine (Core) x2

Gandalf (Core) x3

Erebor Hammersmith (Core) x2

Gildor Inglorion (THoEM) x2

Haldir of Lorien (AJtR) x2

Master of the Forge (SaF) x3

Miner of the Iron Hills (Core) x2

Henamarth Riversong (Core) x1

Warden of Healing (TLD) x2



Attachment (12)

Ithilien Pit (EaAD) x3

Poisoned Stakes (TBoG) x3

Ranger Spikes (HON) x3

Spear of the Mark (TMV) x3



Event (13)

Quick Strike (Core) x2

Feint (Core) x2

Forth Eorlingas! (TMV) x2

Radagast's Cunning (Core) x2

Secret Paths (Core) x2

Strider's Path (THFG) x3

why Mirlonde?

Trying to drive that starting threat down as much as possible to get the most out of those pits. It occurs to me that making room for Asfoloth to put on Mirlonde might be helpful.

Why no Forest Snare? Seems like keeping a 1 of 2 of can help and make the deck quite a bit more versatile for some of the combat heavy tricky quests.

It looks nice! I like decks with Hama. :)

Well forest snare seems a bit redundant when you have Hama+Feint, and there's not really room for it. I'm not even sure what I'd take out for Asfoloth, but if anybody has suggestions, fire away.

With an enemy engaged and trapped by snare, you can make infinite attacks with Hama. You can forget about needing an enemy engaged to recycle by Hama.

The main issue I have with this deck is Hama ability requires a card discard and apart form Gleowine there is no real card draw. I haven't played this myself but I would expect that you are often in a situation of there simply being no card to discard for Hama's ability and in late game you may be in the position where you are tapping Gleo in the combat phase to pull a card just to discard.. effectually making Hama's ability into a blind discard instead of choosing the worst card in hand to fuel it.

Also there is a threat issue. You have precious little questing power so this could be a real problem so I like the use of Cunning and Paths. I think they are massively underrated cards. In fact I am working on a deck I think will end up being a contender that has low quest value but can basically reduce staging area threat to near zero. I think they are integral to a trap deck and most people do not use them.

Spear of the Mark vs Dagger of Westernesse is a interesting topic. It dose nearly the exact same thing, yet the dagger can go on non Rohan heroes and carries its buff to optionally engaged and really low threat monsters.. not just the staging area mobs BUT spear can go on characters and obviously combos with Forth Eorlingas! but what exactly are your ally targets for these cards? Gleowine and Glufhaf... that is it, them and Hama are your only Rohan guys. Seams while this combo is cool, it is also not maximised and could be a prime target to cut. Freeing 6, possible 9 cards for modification.

Here is my version of your deck.


Hama Traps (Booored Edition)
Deck : 50

Heroes
Hero 1 : • Bifur ( Khazad-dûm 2 )
Hero 2 : • Mirlonde ( The Drúadan Forest 32 )
Hero 3 : • Háma ( The Long Dark 76 )

Allies
3 x Defender of Rammas ( Heirs of Númenor 7 )
3 x • Anborn ( The Blood of Gondor 114 )
2 x • Gildor Inglorion ( The Hills of Emyn Muil 79 )
2 x Master of the Forge ( Shadow and Flame 134 )
2 x Miner of the Iron Hills ( Core Set 61 )
2 x Rivendell Minstrel ( The Hunt for Gollum 8 )
2 x Warden of Healing ( The Long Dark 83 )
3 x • Gandalf ( Core Set 73 )

Attachment
3 x Dagger of Westernesse ( The Black Riders 14 )
2 x Spear of the Citadel ( Heirs of Númenor 9 )
2 x • Asfaloth ( Foundations of Stone 110 )
3 x Ithilien Pit ( Encounter at Amon Dîn 64 )
3 x Poisoned Stakes ( The Blood of Gondor 115 )
3 x Ranger Spikes ( Heirs of Númenor 17 )
1 x Song of Wisdom ( Conflict at the Carrock 34 )

Events
3 x Feint ( Core Set 34 )
3 x Foe-hammer ( The Hobbit - Over Hill and Under Hill 15 )
3 x Goblin-cleaver ( The Hobbit - Over Hill and Under Hill 16 )
2 x Quick Strike ( Core Set 35 )
3 x Strider's Path ( The Hunt for Gollum 9 )

What I have basically done is change the focus a little bit. Feint cycling is still a goal but now you can also cycle Foe Hammer as a huge card draw. Remember Hama retrieves the event when he is declared.. so BEFORE damage. So you can draw foe-hammer and then discard it on the same turn to draw three cards. So draw 3 discard 1.. it is basically a infinite and better Daeron's Runes.

Goblin Cleaver is a beast. Again, same deal as foe-hammer. You can cast it after you retrieve it form discard with Hama to wack 2-3 dmg on top of what ever he did. Great card! Also Zero cost.

I am worried about threat in this so I put in 2 Minstrels at 3c/2w they are the "best" questing cards in these factions. I know Haldir is also a 2 turn drop, but these guys being 1 cheaper is defiantly a thing. Also it allows you to splash a single song of wisdom to put on Hama and utilise the glut of resources he will collect as all the tactics are 0 - 2 cost.

Trackers are just amazing solo cards. Tap it before questing and it basically a permanent Cunning. This card is seriously bonkers.

Secret Paths is a cool card, but Strider's Path is sorta the same thing in many ways. So I just took out Paths freeing 3 slots giving 1 extra to path and the other going to the new cards

Also I added some spears and Defenders. At 4 defence and a spear these guys will give you some protection and allow for faster questing. While yes, you want to be casting feint to stop attacks completely, these guys can just help you out when needed. The spears are a good target for removal for tweaking.. maybe put in Hammersmith, for as I am writing this I am thinking that might be a good idea. The blockers also mean that quick strike is not needed so much. Yet the shadow cards will resolve...

hmmm.. I dunno.. I do like this version.. but while writing this paragraph I have sorta reconsidered.. so here is another version of your deck! lol This often happens, making these posts makes me think very deeply about the deck and I get new ideas.


Hama Traps (Booored Edition v2)
Deck : 50

Heroes
Hero 1 : • Bifur ( Khazad-dûm 2 )
Hero 2 : • Mirlonde ( The Drúadan Forest 32 )
Hero 3 : • Háma ( The Long Dark 76 )

Allies
3 x • Anborn ( The Blood of Gondor 114 )
2 x Erebor Hammersmith ( Core Set 59 )
2 x • Gildor Inglorion ( The Hills of Emyn Muil 79 )
2 x • Henamarth Riversong ( Core Set 60 )
2 x Ithilien Tracker ( Heirs of Númenor 15 )
2 x Master of the Forge ( Shadow and Flame 134 )
2 x Miner of the Iron Hills ( Core Set 61 )
1 x Rivendell Minstrel ( The Hunt for Gollum 8 )

Attachments
2 x Warden of Healing ( The Long Dark 83 )
3 x • Gandalf ( Core Set 73 )
3 x Dagger of Westernesse ( The Black Riders 14 )
1 x • Asfaloth ( Foundations of Stone 110 )
3 x Ithilien Pit ( Encounter at Amon Dîn 64 )
3 x Poisoned Stakes ( The Blood of Gondor 115 )
3 x Ranger Spikes ( Heirs of Númenor 17 )
1 x Song of Wisdom ( Conflict at the Carrock 34 )

Events
3 x Feint ( Core Set 34 )
3 x Foe-hammer ( The Hobbit - Over Hill and Under Hill 15 )
3 x Goblin-cleaver ( The Hobbit - Over Hill and Under Hill 16 )
2 x Quick Strike ( Core Set 35 )
2 x Forest Patrol ( Assault on Osgiliath 89 )
2 x Strider's Path ( The Hunt for Gollum 9 )

This one brings the focus into a closer alignment to your original deck. Most of the previous comments still play out but with Henwmarth is back in to make better use of traps along with Forest Patrol for large threats. Quickstrike is back and it along with Goblin Cleaver and Feint is basically your shadow cancel.

Only 1 copy of Asfaloth isn't really an issue when you can peak for 5 with Master and I dumped 1 minstrel. 1 Minstrel seams strange but think of it as having 2 copies of wisdom. If your finding your low on Tactic resources, I would dump the song and put in another minstrel. I still think questing could be a issue.

I haven't ever played these decks.. this is just theory.

Well forest snare seems a bit redundant when you have Hama+Feint, and there's not really room for it.

I agree. This card is expensive as well at 3 (for a trap). It seams that if the deck is functioning correctly you shouldn't really be using it, and I would expect this to be discarded often to recycle feint.

Edited by booored

This is a nice direction you're taking. However, you might be surprised by how well master of the forge/Anborn/Hama works, it is very good at filling the hand and cycling those traps for basically a free feint. The song of wisdom is super pointless when you have Bifur; even if the minstrel has nothing to hand over, yes I agree, it is a great questing force so I guess I'd bail on the song for another asfoloth for safety's sake but still have the minstrel. Great feedback.

Absolutely going with the spear of the mark, because I wanted to use it without Dunhere AND I'M STICKING TO IT

Edited by camacazio

This is a nice direction you're taking. However, you might be surprised by how well master of the forge/Anborn/Hama works, it is very good at filling the hand and cycling those traps for basically a free feint.

You know I hadn't thought of this. I like this idea, yet wouldn't you always be pulling in cards you want to play.. at least ta the start. Still I think this is a really good point, what I like about it the most is that you can put in more powerful unique attachments to get their awesomeness and still have the spares have some meaning.

This could interfere with Hammersmith though as it only grabs the top attachment.

The song of wisdom is super pointless when you have Bifur; even if the minstrel has nothing to hand over, yes I agree, it is a great questing force so I guess I'd bail on the song for another asfoloth.

Not sure I agree.

The minstrel taps to quest, while Bifur has to remain untapped to utilize his ability, even though they are both 3c/2w.. so I see the connection if you plan quest with him, though he is unique and the Minstrel isn't so if you do use multri copies she is still better I would say.

Also the song itself is far from being useless. All the decks are like 65%+ Lore. How is getting an extra resource a turn for those cards bad in anyway? It is basically a resourcefulness.

Edited by booored

I guess as another thought, a pro player might notice that this deck would work the same by bailing on Hama, using Legolas with the dagger, and throwing in 3 hands upon the bow, and instantly fix some problems. That isn't nearly hipster enough, and I'm not doing it.

Bifur absorbs resource from hama, he entirely replaces the need for the song.

that isn't nearly hipster enough, and I'm not doing it.

Yeah that idea sucks!

Bifur absorbs resource from hama, he entirely replaces the need for the song.

Um... totally. Yup..I see what your saying now and your right. Not as powerful but practically.

I would run 1 Minstrel 1 Bifur.. treating them as 2 copies of the same card.. a 3c/2w quester.. but it spreads out the resource requirments giving some breathing room on lore.

Edited by booored