Aliens in the Imperial Army?

By HappyDaze, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

The Imperial Army was supposedly built from Planetary Security Forces. It stands to reason that many of these forces were composed of species other than Humans. Were the non-Human forces simply disbanded, or were they brought into the Imperial Army too?

I've always viewed it as there are aliens working in the "normal" Imperial Army. Humans are the only ones allowed as Stormtroopers though because of Palpatine's speciesist view.

Imperial armies as planetary defence forces are probably made up mainly of whatever species happen to occupy that planet. The Imperial Academy and the Stormtrooper Corps, and all such attachments, however, only accepts humans or near-humans that can pass for humans.

In a nutshell, if you're Echani, you can probably get in there with no big problems. If you're Sullustan, forget about it.

Imperial armies as planetary defence forces are probably made up mainly of whatever species happen to occupy that planet. The Imperial Academy and the Stormtrooper Corps, and all such attachments, however, only accepts humans or near-humans that can pass for humans.

In a nutshell, if you're Echani, you can probably get in there with no big problems. If you're Sullustan, forget about it.

Would, for example, Imperial Army units on Rodia be composed of Rodians? Would they have Rodian officers (and, if so, up to what level before hitting the glass ceiling)?

One doubt, Empire is clasist, racist and sexist too, I'm wrong?

I know about Daala and Thrawn but I think that hey are exceptions.

They would have some rodiens in it naturally, but they would occupy very few spots in the higher chains of command. On a planet that doesn't have a species majority, human/near humans will consist of a majority, indeed since the racism is not discouraged I would imagine the non-pink skins would be given the more rough work.

So yeah, they won't completely reject other spices, just the humans would be fast tracked for promotion much of the time even if a more capable being existed otherwise. Of course, if they are exceptionally capable, you might find exceptions, though they tend to end up watching more obscure space.

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Would, for example, Imperial Army units on Rodia be composed of Rodians? Would they have Rodian officers (and, if so, up to what level before hitting the glass ceiling)?

Most likely for the standard on the ground troops. I believe that the higher up in ranks one would look, the less Rodians one will find. Their might be a Rodian Captain here or there, but eventually one answers to a Human.

One doubt, Empire is clasist, racist and sexist too, I'm wrong?

I know about Daala and Thrawn but I think that hey are exceptions.

Females in the Imperial Army they treated roughly the same as other species as the Empire was also sexist. But Thrawn is Near-Human and he defeated a much larger Trade Federation Force, which impressed Palpatine. Thrawn was also the 'best tactician' in the Empire; being near human allowed him to rise through the ranks. During the time of the Galactic Empire under Palpatine (Movie Universe) the only species allowed to be a Moff was human, so even Thrawn wouldn't have been allowed - and beyond that Human males. There was a female that usurped her husbands power briefly in the EU, but basically that was the rule I believe...

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I would think that most planets, especially home planets, would have Planetary Defense Forces of one kind or another. For the most part they would consist of the dominant species of the planet. The Imperial Forces only took, as noted, humans or exceptional near-humans. So those Planetary Forces were not considered part of the Imperial Force. Aliens would be allowed into the Imperial Army or Stormtroopers after the fall of the Emperor.

I would think that most planets, especially home planets, would have Planetary Defense Forces of one kind or another. For the most part they would consist of the dominant species of the planet. The Imperial Forces only took, as noted, humans or exceptional near-humans. So those Planetary Forces were not considered part of the Imperial Force. Aliens would be allowed into the Imperial Army or Stormtroopers after the fall of the Emperor.

I was under the impression that all Planetary Security Forces (with rare exceptions like CorSec) were either nationalized into the Imperial Army or else disbanded. It was a key point of the New Republic to allow PSFs to be independent of a central command.

Apparently at least some alien armies existed apart from the Imperial Army, such as the Devaronian Army, which suppressed a rebellion in the early days of the Empire. Also some Planetary Security Forces clearly still existed to some degree, like the Royal Naboo Security Forces. I would guess that the army units belonging to human PSFs were what was nationalized, leaving the law enforcement elements intact. Some alien armies would be disbanded, others allowed to remain.

I think that any forces of aliens would be left in place under the command of the Imperial Army (as you said nationalized), with exceptional aliens allowed to serve off-planet. Many Defense Forces were absorbed wholesale into the Imperial machine, most likely only if human dominant. I would think that the only time an alien defense Force would be disbanded would be in such cases of subjugation for one reason or another, such as the Mon Cals.

I imagine that non-Human units suffered disproportionate losses in the Outer Rim Sieges and in hunting Separatist remnants.

I imagine that non-Human units suffered disproportionate losses in the Outer Rim Sieges and in hunting Separatist remnants.

This reminds me of the South Park movie, when Chef's military unit is placed in front of the tanks....

In any case, the members of Planetary Security Forces that were nationalized were not kept on the planets they were formed on. Instead they were deployed to other worlds so that their loyalty to their home planet would not interfere with their duty to the Empire.

I can't speak to other lore, but the Corebook has a Planetary Defense Force trooper minion (p. 405), which is distinct from the Stormtroopers and Naval troopers.

"There are very few planets that rely entirely on an outside agency for their protection. Most possess at least a marginla military force of their own, dedicated to protecting the planet's most valuable and sacred sites."

Also, the notes on Sector rangers in the law enforcment part (p. 383) notes that they can commandeer local militia and police. Thus, while the PDFs would ultimately answer and respect the authority of the Imperial Army/Navy when necessary, for the most part I think they would mind their own business. The official Imperial military has bigger fish to fry and generally operates at the Sector level anyway.

There were no aliens in Imperial Army as far as books, comics, games and RPG books show (at least I dont recall any), except for some individuals on higher positions. The local forces were seperate from the Imperial Army and consisted from the local population, but were not part of the Empire's forces. The first aliens are mentioned in Darksaber book and later in Legacy comics.

As for the Rodia example, there is an Imperial governor plus a standard Imp Garrison in each city with an official starport. Rodians have their own fleet supported by Imp Customs patrols. But it looks like Imps do not move their noses out of the bases and in the countryside Grand Protector rules as he wants.

To show other examples, on Bothawui there is an Imperial Consulate with 300 stormtroopers. On Kothlis there is an Imperial Consul-General with 36 Imp soldiers and he also pays for mercenaries that stays on the planet as an additional defence. In addition Bothans have their own, seperate forces.

From SotE Planets Collections supplement.

So things vary from planet to planet.

So far in the (later) games and EU aliens are employed locally to provide the necessary personell to function properly. Replacing the complete staff of a (working) police force of a whole planet requires too much energy, personell and time to do.. It's easier to just switch names, apoint a new human chief (and maybe a few new officers in higher positions) and otherwise let things continue to work. Don't fix what ain't broken.

A little 'house cleaning' will be done but not more than say ... 10% of the overall staff.

That way very few people get upset with the new management, even less with weapon/security training will join any rebellion.

Females in the Imperial Army they treated roughly the same as other species as the Empire was also sexist. But Thrawn is Near-Human and he defeated a much larger Trade Federation Force, which impressed Palpatine. Thrawn was also the 'best tactician' in the Empire; being near human allowed him to rise through the ranks. During the time of the Galactic Empire under Palpatine (Movie Universe) the only species allowed to be a Moff was human, so even Thrawn wouldn't have been allowed - and beyond that Human males. There was a female that usurped her husbands power briefly in the EU, but basically that was the rule I believe...

According to the Essential Guide to Warfare sexism wasn't as big an issue in the Imp Army as it was in the Navy, or at least wasn't in the stormtrooper corps though fewer females passed the physical testing to get in than males.

Also the Moff of the Corellian Sector during the EOTE period is a female, and her rise had nothing to do with her husband from what I can find. She was Governor of a city and crushed an uprising so effectively and brutally that it fast tracked her for promotion and when her predecessor was sent to Kessel she got the job.

Yeah, I'm not seeing any material between Flirry and Pitta in leadership of the Corellian Sector, so you may be right, I've just never seen that to be the case. It seems like a 'gap' but make mentions of an Imperial Governor, not a Moff by name. Can you provide a link or some type of material to her, because I'd like to gain some lore off the Corellian Sector during that time.

Regarding females, this is a quote from Wookieepedia:

A high degree of male chauvinism was also seen in the Empire's government and military. Combining the rampant misogyny with the alien persecution, the Empire was often referred to as having "Non-huMan policies". Notable exceptions to acknowledged male chauvinism included Director Ysanne Isard of the Imperial Intelligence, Major General Tessala Corvae of the Imperial Army and several navy officers like Admiral Natasi Daala, Admiral Betl Oxtroe, Captain Juno Eclipse, and Captain Plikk. The sexist policies that plagued the Empire encouraged Major General Corvae to establish the Firebird Society to prove that females were effective and capable soldiers for the Imperial Military.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Empire

There were some high ranking women, but not really many.

Of course, there's always special cases, but there's really some great exampled throughout the EU. There's the Imperial "satrapies" such as the Sky'tri, as seen in Marvel Comics' Star Wars Annual #1. Of course, some would argue that these aliens benefitted from their special relationship to Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader; it's a model that Darth Vader used throughout the Empire, including such other "special" / "private army" species such as the Noghri.

Next, you have the aliens that were actually within the normal Imperial military chain-of-command like General Sk'ar -- clearly an alien within the Imperial normal armed forces; says Warlord Sk'ar: "In the name of the Emperor -- welcome... I am Sk'ar! I have the honor to be a General in the Imperial Strike Force." Within Sk'ar's forces include regular Imperial military, stormtroopers, and TIE battalions. Were we to map such a thing as Imperial Sourcebook, he'd likely be akin to a Surface Marshall as a minimum, but the Naval forces are interesting; others have painted him as something like a Grand General -- the army's version of a Grand Admiral; with the "Grand" portion not ever mentioned. He could be something like a General in the Imperial Special Forces ("Imperial Strike Force"), which blends members of the entirety of the Imperial military. The fact that he shares the formal "warlord" title detailed by the earliest pages of Heir to the Empire for Thrawn lends some credit to a position that holds he enjoys a similar to Thrawn.

A third cog are the alien "magistrate" type of people, which could include such people as the Suprema in his stewardship of Mandalore. Suprema commanded Imperial Stormtroopers, but was really an Imperial Warlord, and a brigand at that. Under Suprema, remember that this part of the Empire enslaved the Mandalorians. So really, Palpatine turned the planet over to a brutal steward who allowed slavers to mine the planet of its people while keeping them in line using Imperial military forces.

You can find a bunch of great examples all throughout the EU of aliens within the Imperial military.

Likewise, there is the charge of sexism that's often thrown about. It's probably not sexism, but a bias towards non-gingers. Quite honestly, there's tons and tons of red-haired Imperial women within the Empire. Blondes and brunettes, not so much.

I'd imagine this would also vary by region. Although nominally the Empire is a single monolithic force, most personnel would likely remain near their home sectors, and regional commands would be heavily influenced by the political views of their Moffs. I could definitely see not-so-near-humans in modest numbers in more remote and politically insignificant sectors.

Also, the time period definitely matters. During the height of the Galactic Civil War 1 BBY-4 ABY, there was likely a purge of potentially disloyal non-humans. From 19-1 BBY, though, the existing Republic Judiciary Forces and local militaries would no doubt have contained non-humans which would have to be slowly pushed out, and by the rise of the warlords in 5 ABY, some may have loosened their requirements in an attempt to survive. Many of these likely ended up defecting to the New Republic, though.

I really don't care about EU stuff. From the Prequels you can see that most of the Senate is composed of non humans. The Senate was responsible to give powers to Chancellor become Emperor. It took 20 years to close the senate. Before that, I assume the Emperor needed a good lot of support from the Senate.

I think you guys are seeing it the wrong way. The Empire took care of military and security for all the planets in the Republic. Non humans liked it. The Empire used clones (and then non clones) for their forces.

The humans are cannon fodder and the other races prolly liked. They compose the "Mighty" Imperial Military (Army, Navy, Troopers) to secure the empire from external threats (outer rim planets and orgs)

Local security forces ("State Police", if you will) will be composed of their kind, of course.

We must forget most WEG nonsense from years before the Preqs.

That's my 2c.

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Without EU you have no context for the movies. Without EU you have no Star Wars universe. Without EU you have to throw out a lot of the Edge of the Empire and Age of Rebellion books. Like Z-95 Headhunters, no EU, no Headhunters. No EU, no Corellian Gunship or Marauder cruiser. Want to go to Ryloth? Sorry EU. The entirety of Hutt Space, the Corporate Sector and the Unknown Regions, except Kamino are EU. I could go on. Also I like much of the WEG stuff better than the Prequels.

Without EU you have no context for the movies. Without EU you have no Star Wars universe. Without EU you have to throw out a lot of the Edge of the Empire and Age of Rebellion books. Like Z-95 Headhunters, no EU, no Headhunters. No EU, no Corellian Gunship or Marauder cruiser. Want to go to Ryloth? Sorry EU. The entirety of Hutt Space, the Corporate Sector and the Unknown Regions, except Kamino are EU. I could go on. Also I like much of the WEG stuff better than the Prequels.

The EU can be cherry-picked for its good stuff and the chaff flushed away. Many of the locations, ships, species, and other things in the EU are fine. The events and the connections between them are largely crap (IMO).

I really don't care about EU stuff. From the Prequels you can see that most of the Senate is composed of non humans. The Senate was responsible to give powers to Chancellor become Emperor. It took 20 years to close the senate. Before that, I assume the Emperor needed a good lot of support from the Senate.

I think you guys are seeing it the wrong way. The Empire took care of military and security for all the planets in the Republic. Non humans liked it. The Empire used clones (and then non clones) for their forces.

The humans are cannon fodder and the other races prolly liked. They compose the "Mighty" Imperial Military (Army, Navy, Troopers) to secure the empire from external threats (outer rim planets and orgs)

Local security forces ("State Police", if you will) will be composed of their kind, of course.

We must forget most WEG nonsense from years before the Preqs.

That's my 2c.

I dont care about prequels made by G.Lucas who may tomorrow decide that it was Jar Jar who shot Greedo and say that he had such vision from the beginning just could not implement it ;).

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