Hey, big of an odd one. My friend is playing with Dutch and R5-K6. Everybody moves and ditches two rookie wingmen both focus, Dutch target locks and passes one of to a rookie. Dutch then gets shot before his combat phase and suffers a blinded pilot critical hit ( next attack roll no dice then flip this card face down)

Now, Dutch has no one in Los so opts to fire his ion turret at a tie behind him. We figure this is ok as no ref is made to using primary weapons. Next, he wants to use his tl in an attempt to trigger K's ability and pass a tl off to the second rookie. I rule that he can't use tl as he has no dice to reroll (as blinded pilot means he rolls no attacks for his attack). The faqs make it clear you can use the tl and choose not to reroll any dice, but can you spend it if you haven't actually roll any dice?

Was I too harsh to say no?

Thanks for your input

You CAN spend a target lock (or a focus) without benefitting from it or RErolling dice, but dice MUST, be rolled to spend it without activating ordinance. Dutch CANNOT reacquire a lock that is already on the same ship for the purpose of allowing another ship to do so, but when R5-K6 activates, he CAN give another ship a target lock.

So, new turn just started. Dutch is already locked in Howlrunner. He CANNOT reacquire a lock on Howlrunner to activate his ability. He CAN change his lock to Darth Vader and activate his ability. He chooses not to do so, but Rookie Pilot is locked on Vader and chose to focus this turn. He rolls 3 hits at range one. He chooses to spend his target lock to reroll no dice, but to activate R5-K6, which works, (based on the die roll), so he reacquires a lock on Howlrunner, and allowing rookie pilot to do the same. And then Rookie Pilot ROFLstomps Howlrunner with four focused and locked dice at range 1.

Dice MUST be rolled to spend tokens, even if you do not benefit from the token.

How is so? I have just quickly re-read the FAQ and I didn't find any clue. I always ruled that both Garven and Dutch can spend their respective tokens even if they suffered Blinded Pilot critical hit. I also allowed Garven's players to spend their focus defending when they were shoot at by Wedge and had their Agility previously lowered.

EDIT: It also seems to be the consensus in a similar matter: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/98812-so-if-you-have-no-die-is-it-no-dice/

How is so? I have just quickly re-read the FAQ and I didn't find any clue. I always ruled that both Garven and Dutch can spend their respective tokens even if they suffered Blinded Pilot critical hit. I also allowed Garven's players to spend their focus defending when they were shoot at by Wedge and had their Agility previously lowered.

EDIT: It also seems to be the consensus in a similar matter: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/98812-so-if-you-have-no-die-is-it-no-dice/

Both of these situations still count as "dice are rolled" even though no dice are rolled. When Blinded Pilot is active, you can still spend target lock because it counts as though your Primary Attack value is 0 (even at range 1). Same with the defense roll, in this case it counts as if your Agility Value is 0. So dice are still "rolled" but the number of dice rolled is zero.

How is so? I have just quickly re-read the FAQ and I didn't find any clue. I always ruled that both Garven and Dutch can spend their respective tokens even if they suffered Blinded Pilot critical hit. I also allowed Garven's players to spend their focus defending when they were shoot at by Wedge and had their Agility previously lowered.

EDIT: It also seems to be the consensus in a similar matter: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/98812-so-if-you-have-no-die-is-it-no-dice/

Both of these situations still count as "dice are rolled" even though no dice are rolled. When Blinded Pilot is active, you can still spend target lock because it counts as though your Primary Attack value is 0 (even at range 1). Same with the defense roll, in this case it counts as if your Agility Value is 0. So dice are still "rolled" but the number of dice rolled is zero.

So, to clarify what Engine25 was saying... You must roll dice to spend TL/F. Rolling 0 dice counts as rolling dice.

Ergo, a blinded pilot rolls 0 dice, and may choose to spend a TL/F to modify the results of those 0 dice.

But how does it cripple your ability to spend Target Lock? You can spend it to reroll no dice. When Blinded, you don't roll any dice. However, you can still spend TL not to reroll those non-existing dice, thus activating R5-K6 and possibly Dutch.

Edit: Ninja'd. I mean just what Khyros says

But how does it cripple your ability to spend Target Lock? You can spend it to reroll no dice. When Blinded, you don't roll any dice. However, you can still spend TL not to reroll those non-existing dice, thus activating R5-K6 and possibly Dutch.

Edit: Ninja'd. I mean just what Khyros says

It doesn't that's what we're saying. If you roll any attack, even if you roll no dice, you CAN spend target lock or focus, even though you cannot benefit from either. Rolling an attack with no dice still counts as rolling dice.

Not rolling dice would be, Garven does not have any ships in his firing arc, so he cannot declare and roll an attack. Because he did not attack, he cannot spend focus and pass it to another ship.

I guess I'm getting a bit confused, since english is not my native language I somehow understood thay you belive that Blinded Dutch cannot spend his TL - which of course he can.

Obviously, if you have no available targets to shoot at, you're not able to spend anything

I guess I'm getting a bit confused, since english is not my native language I somehow understood thay you belive that Blinded Dutch cannot spend his TL - which of course he can.

Obviously, if you have no available targets to shoot at, you're not able to spend anything

Exactly.

So that's a unanimous yea to being able to spend tokens affecting dice when no rolls have been made? Seems a little counter intuitive to me but I'm always happy to go with the flow

Thanks for the input

I thought you can't fire ANY weapon with blinded pilot, primary or secondary. The card doesn't specify it just says the next time you attack so I'd think that would encompass any weapons you have.

I thought you can't fire ANY weapon with blinded pilot, primary or secondary. The card doesn't specify it just says the next time you attack so I'd think that would encompass any weapons you have.

You actually can fire the weapons with Blinded Pilot. You just don't get to roll any dice when you do.

I thought you can't fire ANY weapon with blinded pilot, primary or secondary. The card doesn't specify it just says the next time you attack so I'd think that would encompass any weapons you have.

You actually can fire the weapons with Blinded Pilot. You just don't get to roll any dice when you do.

You need to declare an attack in order to flip the Blinded Pilot card, so you still need to have a valid target in range and arc. If there is no valid target, you can't attack and can't flip the card. That's the critical part of that card - it's a hindrance until you can flip it.