You know, both of you guys could choose to walk away from this thread before it gets locked.

Or not. It’s your choice.

For example the adventure in the CRB plays on Formos near Kessel.

On this map I can't find Formos and the map is not so bad http://abload.de/img/galaxymap1h0sxq.jpg

On the original map Formos is to find on grid coordinates T10 like wookieepedia says http://abload.de/img/galaxymap2vgs2f.jpg

So FFG give us the digital english version of the map, please.^^

For example the adventure in the CRB plays on Formos near Kessel.

On this map I can't find Formos and the map is not so bad http://abload.de/img/galaxymap1h0sxq.jpg

On the original map Formos is to find on grid coordinates T10 like wookieepedia says http://abload.de/img/galaxymap2vgs2f.jpg

So FFG give us the digital english version of the map, please.^^

I actually like the orientation of the Spanish map in this link. It feels much more usable to me.

I would *adore* an English version of this map. But even as it is, it's pretty usable.

Or you could stop beating us over the head about it. I get it. You like it. I get it. You claim it is easy to use. It is not easy to use for me. And I am familiar with Spanish. Just not familiar enough to use it easily.

So having a different opinion and not posting in chorus with your idea is beating you over the head with it? Gotcha. You do realize all your points in regards to me apply to you. You could just as easily not beat others over the head with wanting an English version. It works both ways.

I think the differences here are:

1. People are explaining what they want, you are presenting something that is not what they want, and when they continue to want the thing they originally wanted, you are the one getting testy because they don't want the thing you pointed out, specifically because it's not the thing that they want.

2. If anything, the reason the dead horse argument applies to you and not the people who disagree with you is because you're on an English language website run by a company of predominantly English language speakers, producing predominantly English language products for English language speaking consumers...and you're presenting a Spanish language item and telling people to stop wanting anything else because it's the same thing.

Bluntly, it is objectively not the same thing. The people for whom it was "good enough" have adopted it and those aren't the ones you're seeing continue to post. You've helped them and that's great. But to keep insisting that you know better than everybody else what they're looking for (by essentially telling them, "You're wrong. You don't want that, you want this, so stop discussing.") is understandably not going to be received well.

Personally, the extent of my own mastery of the Spanish language begins and ends with a restaurant menu. For me, while I have access to plenty of maps both electronic and hard copy and have no need of another, if I *did* need one, a Spanish language map would be enough of a hindrance to me, that I'd rather use an inferior map, or no map at all, than to try to make the workaround work.That's an objective factual statement about my subjective opinion of it's use. I don't claim that everyone is the same way, but it's certainly the case for me.

In your position, I'm sure there are many people for whom your offered map solution is indeed good enough and you have their gratitude. But it serves no purpose for you to continue to attempt to insist that other people are somehow wrong for having the opinion that it really isn't what they're looking for. Their expression of their own opinion that it's not what they want is every bit as correct and accurate as your evaluation that it IS good enough for you. Neither party is wrong at that point, but when you cross over the line into telling them that they're wrong for wanting something else, that's where you're getting off track.

1. People are explaining what they want, you are presenting something that is not what they want, and when they continue to want the thing they originally wanted, you are the one getting testy because they don't want the thing you pointed out, specifically because it's not the thing that they want.

I'm not testy. No more so than anyone else. I kept my tone respectful up until the other person decide to do otherwise. Just because people explain what they want doesn't mean I can't counter it. Why I'm the one being chastized even though I wasn't the first to engage in a non polite manner is beyond me. But it seems to be the case that since I'm not the one complaining I'm the one who is creating an issue? Go back and reread my post. They took exception with what I had to say after I posted in defense of FFG and offered up possible explantitions for why there isn't an English map and why this may not be FFG's fault in the first place.

2. If anything, the reason the dead horse argument applies to you and not the people who disagree with you is because you're on an English language website run by a company of predominantly English language speakers, producing predominantly English language products for English language speaking consumers...and you're presenting a Spanish language item and telling people to stop wanting anything else because it's the same thing.

Dude, English is my native language. Like I've stated that before. And I didn't present a Spanish language map. Someone else did. I just pointed out that it's easy to use and so there is no need to complain againd and again about it on the forums. Truth be told, the people who need to see the complaint aren't going to be reading this thread. So complaining about it does nothing other than to complain. Unless the logic is I should let people complain for the sake of complaining (and if thats the case just say as much) then I'm as free to respond to their complaints.

Oh! I am having fun!

I think I am going to post another official link in spanish. Let me think... Talent trees any one?

http://www.edgeent.com/juegos/download_pdf/sw_eoe_talents_tree.pdf

Oh! I am having fun!

I think I am going to post another official link in spanish. Let me think... Talent trees any one?

http://www.edgeent.com/juegos/download_pdf/sw_eoe_talents_tree.pdf

Post the Rebelion book talent trees too XD

I'm not testy. No more so than anyone else. I kept my tone respectful up until the other person decide to do otherwise. Just because people explain what they want doesn't mean I can't counter it. Why I'm the one being chastized even though I wasn't the first to engage in a non polite manner is beyond me. But it seems to be the case that since I'm not the one complaining I'm the one who is creating an issue? Go back and reread my post. They took exception with what I had to say after I posted in defense of FFG and offered up possible explantitions for why there isn't an English map and why this may not be FFG's fault in the first place.

That's almost laughable. And just about everyone who's taken issue with the way you're handling this is telling you the same thing. The whole 'poor me', self-pity defense really doesn't hold up after you've first made repeated posts insisting that something is so, when others have specifically stated that it was not, for them...then gone on to get snarky when others, who were already getting tired of it mentioned that the message was clear and the constant insistence ad nauseum was unnecessary. It's like a little kid on the bus that's kicking the back of the seat in front of them, and when the person sitting there asks them to stop, the kid acts like the person is being mean to them.

You've given your thoughts, they've been noted, and those who aren't satisfied with that particular solution have said so and explained why not. Really, beyond that, you have no place to dispute that, as it's wholly subjective. It'd be like me saying I'm hungry for some dessert, and you suggesting cheesecake, and me saying, "Thanks, but I don't really like cheesecake." and then you in turn going on and on about how cheesecake is a good dessert. Nobody said it wasn't, but I personally don't like it, so regardless of your insistence as to how good it may be, my search for dessert isn't going to end with cheesecake, so you're going to look...strange and annoying at best...if you were to continue complaining about how I didn't want cheesecake.

I don't really understand why you have such a problem with either the concept of people having different preferences from your own, or the different preferences themselves, but it's really starting to make you look somewhat antagonistic in this situation (regardless of what you specifically think of your own actions, since you seem to think that the way you're acting is perfectly normal).

Dude, English is my native language. Like I've stated that before. And I didn't present a Spanish language map. Someone else did. I just pointed out that it's easy to use and so there is no need to complain againd and again about it on the forums. Truth be told, the people who need to see the complaint aren't going to be reading this thread. So complaining about it does nothing other than to complain.

Funny, for an English language speaker, your understanding of what people have explained to you here seems to be somewhat lacking.

Notice, never once did I ever imply that you were a Spanish language speaker, yet you've felt the need to attribute that assumption to me.

You're pointing out that it is "easy to use", a subjective claim, and nobody specifically complained that there existed a Spanish language map, only that there didn't exist an English language equivalent of the same map. Perhaps your inability (or unwillingness) to differentiate between the two led to some of the confusion on your end. Not one person has said the spanish map is bad, only that regardless of it's presence, they'd like an english one. Unless you're telling them that they're wrong for wanting that, you really don't have a point to make, and you're just posting to see yourself post.

Unless the logic is I should let people complain for the sake of complaining (and if thats the case just say as much) then I'm as free to respond to their complaints.

You've already proven you're more than willing to post nothing but inane and useless posts simply because you have the capability to do so.

Why you wouldn't be able to figure out that every other account here would have the same abilities would be a mystery, except for your already proven pattern of missing the obvious in this thread.

More to the point: nobody at all complained about the spanish map, so allow the conversation to move beyond that issue that you imagined.

I recently came across this: http://www.swgalaxymap.com/

I know it's not high-resolution or capable of being printed out, but I've found it exceedingly useful.

Holy Crap! How is it I have never seen this site??! This thing is flipin' brilliant!

Nice find.

And just about everyone who's taken issue with the way you're handling this is telling you the same thing.

Right ..... all of two people. Gotcha.

he whole 'poor me', self-pity defense really doesn't hold up after you've first made repeated posts insisting that something is so, when others have specifically stated that it was not, for them...then gone on to get snarky when others, who were already getting tired of it mentioned that the message was clear and the constant insistence ad nauseum was unnecessary.

I don't consider roughly 3 post on the matter to be insisting on something ad nauseum. The first post was to ask why it's such a big deal. The second post was to say that the Spanish wasn't that hard. The third post was in defense of FFG and floating the idea that maybe they aren't at fault and are unaware of it. But somehow three post on the matter is beating people over the head when there were more post complaining about the lack of an English map then there are post by me on the matter. At least up until people decided it was ok to tell other posters how to post on the forum.

I don't really understand why you have such a problem with either the concept of people having different preferences from your own, or the different preferences themselves, but it's really starting to make you look somewhat antagonistic in this situation (regardless of what you specifically think of your own actions, since you seem to think that the way you're acting is perfectly normal).

I have a problem with people telling me how to post or when I should post. Go back and re read what I actually typed. Again .... 1 post to ask why it was a big deal, a second post to say the Spanish wasn't hard, and a third post suggesting reasons why FFG may not be the bad guy in this. From those three post people blew the matter up more.

You've already proven you're more than willing to post nothing but inane and useless posts simply because you have the capability to do so.

Says the person who decided to continue a fight that had already stopped.

More to the point: nobody at all complained about the spanish map, so allow the conversation to move beyond that issue that you imagined.

Funny thing is, I would have had people not been trying to chastise me, correct me, or tell me what I should and shouldn't be posting on. I made all of 3 post on the matter before this little argument. 3. And yet somehow 3 post is beating someone over the head with it. Hell you're just contributing to the problem you claim is my fault. Like seriously I made it pretty clear that if you continue to tell me what to do I'm just going to be a pain about it. Was very upfront about that. And the matter was pretty much dropped until you decided you needed to say your piece on it.

So yeah .... maybe I'm the bad guy .... but honestly ..... this was pretty much done until you stepped in to kick it back up.

And just about everyone who's taken issue with the way you're handling this is telling you the same thing.

Right ..... all of two people. Gotcha.

he whole 'poor me', self-pity defense really doesn't hold up after you've first made repeated posts insisting that something is so, when others have specifically stated that it was not, for them...then gone on to get snarky when others, who were already getting tired of it mentioned that the message was clear and the constant insistence ad nauseum was unnecessary.

I don't consider roughly 3 post on the matter to be insisting on something ad nauseum. The first post was to ask why it's such a big deal. The second post was to say that the Spanish wasn't that hard. The third post was in defense of FFG and floating the idea that maybe they aren't at fault and are unaware of it. But somehow three post on the matter is beating people over the head when there were more post complaining about the lack of an English map then there are post by me on the matter. At least up until people decided it was ok to tell other posters how to post on the forum.

I don't really understand why you have such a problem with either the concept of people having different preferences from your own, or the different preferences themselves, but it's really starting to make you look somewhat antagonistic in this situation (regardless of what you specifically think of your own actions, since you seem to think that the way you're acting is perfectly normal).

I have a problem with people telling me how to post or when I should post. Go back and re read what I actually typed. Again .... 1 post to ask why it was a big deal, a second post to say the Spanish wasn't hard, and a third post suggesting reasons why FFG may not be the bad guy in this. From those three post people blew the matter up more.

You've already proven you're more than willing to post nothing but inane and useless posts simply because you have the capability to do so.

Says the person who decided to continue a fight that had already stopped.

More to the point: nobody at all complained about the spanish map, so allow the conversation to move beyond that issue that you imagined.

Funny thing is, I would have had people not been trying to chastise me, correct me, or tell me what I should and shouldn't be posting on. I made all of 3 post on the matter before this little argument. 3. And yet somehow 3 post is beating someone over the head with it. Hell you're just contributing to the problem you claim is my fault. Like seriously I made it pretty clear that if you continue to tell me what to do I'm just going to be a pain about it. Was very upfront about that. And the matter was pretty much dropped until you decided you needed to say your piece on it.

So yeah .... maybe I'm the bad guy .... but honestly ..... this was pretty much done until you stepped in to kick it back up.

Reported because you refuse to let the matter drop after 2 people have told you that your opinion is fine. But your opinion is just that an opinion. Knock it off.

Reported because you refuse to let the matter drop after 2 people have told you that your opinion is fine. But your opinion is just that an opinion. Knock it off.

You realize I had dropped it until you guys brought it back up again right? It takes two (well 3 now) to continue it. I'll knock it off when you two knock it off. Sound fair?

I will report you every time you repeatedly have to tell you to drop it. Seem fair?

I will report you every time you repeatedly have to tell you to drop it. Seem fair?

Seems fair. .

Please note .... if you stop telling me to drop I would actually drop it. I had dropped until someone else started it again. Each time you tell me to drop it though ... I'll post to say I'll drop it when you drop it and point out that I had actually dropped till someone else decided the matter was not done until they said their piece too.

Guys, please, this is not really setting a good example, everyone has made their positions clear.

Please note .... if you stop telling me to drop I would actually drop it. I had dropped until someone else started it again. Each time you tell me to drop it though ... I'll post to say I'll drop it when you drop it and point out that I had actually dropped till someone else decided the matter was not done until they said their piece too.

You know, I’m a self-identified contrarian, and even I’m smart enough to know when to walk away.

Anyway, the obvious troll has been reported (again) as being obvious.

Prepare for threadlock!

Please note .... if you stop telling me to drop I would actually drop it. I had dropped until someone else started it again. Each time you tell me to drop it though ... I'll post to say I'll drop it when you drop it and point out that I had actually dropped till someone else decided the matter was not done until they said their piece too.

You know, I’m a self-identified contrarian, and even I’m smart enough to know when to walk away.

Anyway, the obvious troll has been reported (again) as being obvious.

Prepare for threadlock!

You wound me good sir. You wound me.

You wound me good sir. You wound me.

You know, if that’s what it takes to get you to wake up and smell the roses — and stop the trolling — then I’m okay with that.

You wound me good sir. You wound me.

You know, if that’s what it takes to get you to wake up and smell the roses — and stop the trolling — then I’m okay with that.

I don't like the smell of roses to be honest.

Please note .... if you stop telling me to drop I would actually drop it. I had dropped until someone else started it again. Each time you tell me to drop it though ... I'll post to say I'll drop it when you drop it and point out that I had actually dropped till someone else decided the matter was not done until they said their piece too.

You know, I’m a self-identified contrarian, and even I’m smart enough to know when to walk away.

Anyway, the obvious troll has been reported (again) as being obvious.

Prepare for threadlock!

Yep, same here. Reported 3 or 4 times.

So while the slapfight continues, I'm forced to ask for lack of a clear answer:

What's wrong with the maps one finds in google?

Sure, they're not complete. No Star Wars map is. Even the Essential Atlas itself is missing systems. I've even spoken to the author, personally, and we had a good chuckle over it.

Hello Edge of the Empire community-

This thread has been locked because it has devolved into personal attacks and pointless argument. Please feel free to continue beneficial discussion in other threads, and remember to treat all other users with respect.

Thanks, and keep playing,

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