man those ships look fantastic but...

Hi guys!

Just wanna ask about the new token which comes with the TIE Phantom Expansion... It's this the same logo as it's among the other action logos in the ship's token? Somebody know what this mean or do?

You know as much as we do, but I'm assuming that it's for the ship's cloaking ability.

I'm guessing cloaking makes in an invalid target to attack, but it also can't shoot as well? Not sure how that would work in tourney play.

Also, there seems to be an upgrade called Advanced Cloaking or something like that, though the text isn't fully visible. When speculating on how cloaking works, make sure to keep that in mind.

The token is the same as the icon in the action bar. The Phantom will be able to focus, barrel roll, evade, and cloak as its actions. What the result of cloaking is I have no idea yet.

I wish that they had spoiled one rebel and one imperial ship, not both rebels.

You know as much as we do, but I'm assuming that it's for the ship's cloaking ability.

I'm guessing cloaking makes in an invalid target to attack, but it also can't shoot as well? Not sure how that would work in tourney play.

Also, there seems to be an upgrade called Advanced Cloaking or something like that, though the text isn't fully visible. When speculating on how cloaking works, make sure to keep that in mind.

The token is the same as the icon in the action bar. The Phantom will be able to focus, barrel roll, evade, and cloak as its actions. What the result of cloaking is I have no idea yet.

I wish that they had spoiled one rebel and one imperial ship, not both rebels.

Wow...

O.o Then this token takes part during a cloaking action, which is gained by an upgrade and perhaps it's an improvement of the current cloaking ability... Coool! Thanks guys!

No, I think you put the Cloak token down whenever the Phantom uses its Cloak action. The Phantom always has a Cloak action available to it.

The modification for an "Advanced Cloaking Device" will make the Cloak action better or something. Who knows.

But I'm pretty sure you put the Cloak token down for the normal Cloak action, not specifically when using the Advanced Cloaking Device modification.

I for one hope cloak persists like target lock does. As it's not a green token it technically will not get discarded at the end of the turn.

I suspect it will be like attack wing, take an action to cloak, remain cloaked until you fire.

I am not sue what effect being cloaked will have. Attack wing gives the cloaked ship +4 agility, disables all its shields (shields work differently in attack wing), you cannot be target locked and allows the ship to take the equivalent of the barrel roll action.

Now based on the fact that shields work differently and that in Attack Wing Attack values are much higher than Agility values, I doubt it will be the exact same effect, but there will be similarities. I would be surprised if cloaking is not persistant until firing though.

If the cloak mimics the effects in Attack Wing, that would be a fair use.

Since the token appears to match the action icon on the pilot cards, and there is mention of and a reference card for new cloaking rules, I think it's a safe bet that it's a cloak token.

As for the Advance Cloaking upgrade card, it appears to be TIE Phantom exclusive. I'm willing to bet it has something to do with the TIE Phantom having a cloak legendary among cloaks. The cloaking action will probably start appearing on other ships (maybe even on old ships with new pilot cards), but this upgrade might be what allows the TIE Phantom to imitate its history of "almost literally undetectable in any way, until it fires, upon which it immediately cloaks again."

Since the token appears to match the action icon on the pilot cards, and there is mention of and a reference card for new cloaking rules, I think it's a safe bet that it's a cloak token.

As for the Advance Cloaking upgrade card, it appears to be TIE Phantom exclusive. I'm willing to bet it has something to do with the TIE Phantom having a cloak legendary among cloaks. The cloaking action will probably start appearing on other ships (maybe even on old ships with new pilot cards), but this upgrade might be what allows the TIE Phantom to imitate its history of "almost literally undetectable in any way, until it fires, upon which it immediately cloaks again."

All I have to go on is playing Attack Wing. If you stay clocked until you fire, I hope you stay clocked until the end of the round when you fire, or it will be pretty worth less for high PS ships.

Technically stealth device is a cloak and the phantom is better at it. Also I read the phantom grants an evade token when it cloaks is this inherent or an upgrade.

Yeah, it's just that, if they're making Cloak an action, it's almost definitely going to be something that appears on more ships in the future, which means it's going to need to represent a more general cloaking device. I'm assuming that the upgrade card that's Phantom only is the way for the Phantom to be better at it than theoretical future ships that share the basic action.

Technically stealth device is a cloak and the phantom is better at it. Also I read the phantom grants an evade token when it cloaks is this inherent or an upgrade.

Yeah, it's just that, if they're making Cloak an action, it's almost definitely going to be something that appears on more ships in the future, which means it's going to need to represent a more general cloaking device. I'm assuming that the upgrade card that's Phantom only is the way for the Phantom to be better at it than theoretical future ships that share the basic action.

Really what other ships in the Star Wars Universe come with a cloaking device standard?

Technically stealth device is a cloak and the phantom is better at it. Also I read the phantom grants an evade token when it cloaks is this inherent or an upgrade.

Yeah, it's just that, if they're making Cloak an action, it's almost definitely going to be something that appears on more ships in the future, which means it's going to need to represent a more general cloaking device. I'm assuming that the upgrade card that's Phantom only is the way for the Phantom to be better at it than theoretical future ships that share the basic action.

Really what other ships in the Star Wars Universe come with a cloaking device standard?

Stealth X!

Really what other ships in the Star Wars Universe come with a cloaking device standard?

No idea, but if there aren't, I don't know why they didn't just make the cloak a free, Phantom-only modification instead of a full action. Unless... space for rules text, I guess. Still begs the question about what the Phantom-only card that appears to say Advanced Cloaking Something does.

Technically stealth device is a cloak and the phantom is better at it. Also I read the phantom grants an evade token when it cloaks is this inherent or an upgrade.

Yeah, it's just that, if they're making Cloak an action, it's almost definitely going to be something that appears on more ships in the future, which means it's going to need to represent a more general cloaking device. I'm assuming that the upgrade card that's Phantom only is the way for the Phantom to be better at it than theoretical future ships that share the basic action.

Really what other ships in the Star Wars Universe come with a cloaking device standard?

Stealth X!

I'd say I haven't ever heard of that ship, but then again I hadn't really ever heard of the TIE Phantom either, so you are probably right.

Technically stealth device is a cloak and the phantom is better at it. Also I read the phantom grants an evade token when it cloaks is this inherent or an upgrade.

Yeah, it's just that, if they're making Cloak an action, it's almost definitely going to be something that appears on more ships in the future, which means it's going to need to represent a more general cloaking device. I'm assuming that the upgrade card that's Phantom only is the way for the Phantom to be better at it than theoretical future ships that share the basic action.

Really what other ships in the Star Wars Universe come with a cloaking device standard?

Stealth X!

I'd say I haven't ever heard of that ship, but then again I hadn't really ever heard of the TIE Phantom either, so you are probably right.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/StealthX

Basically, a stripped down X wing, with a stealth device, and no comms/sensors. Jedi were the exclusive pilots and used their jedi skills to communicate and attack. And propelled their stealth Bombs with the force. All of this (and the black paint) kept them from being detected by enemy sensors.

Huh, I wonder if they are foreshadowing (pun intended ) the release of the Stealth X in a future wave to give the rebels a fully cloaked ship since the Imperials are getting one now.

I'm thinking that Cloak will be nearly the same as Star Trek Attack Wing, except possibly adding 2 or 3 green dice. For the disabled shield thing, I bet if you are hit while cloak is active, you still take cards even with active shields (ala Proton Bomb). So, the idea is you are rolling 4 or 5 evade dice base, but if a single 'direct hit' crit gets through, you're 1-shot. Would be an EXTREMELY high risk, high reward craft (way more than interceptors). Sounds pretty fun

This kinda follows with the stealth upgrade. I see stealth kinda like the way the current day stealth bomber works. Its still there, still visible, and will *barely* show up on radar, but actually ID'ing it by either method is near impossible. Cloak means you become completely invisible, with no chance of being located by radar.

Actually, going off of Star Trek. As above.

Maybe something like:

TIE Phantom Only:

After moving you can choose to cloak as a action.

I think may it would get no shields, (Yes I know they work differently in star wars), and agility +3, but may not fire, at the end of the round remove the cloak token.

This makes it usable, but not over powered. IMO

I think the stealth mode is a switch from 4-2-2-2 to 2-4-2-2 or 1-5-2-2 or even 2-5-2-2

You'll need at least firepower 1 to trigger the FCS, since the upgrade card is in the package and the action bar is missing the TL action. So while in stealth (and an equipped FCS) you basically pinpoint your target you intend to attack next round. If you manage to get your pray in your firing arc and your ship is in a safe position, disengage stealth (this will consume your action) and attack with 4 (or 5 in rage 1) dice and a TL. If you manage to keep out of the enemies firing arcs, you may focus - if not, engage your cloak again.

This is more or less how I imagine the Phantom, based on the current information.

I'd like to see it follow the Attack Wing version:

Must have at least 1 remaining shield to operate. Disable shield to cloak. Cloaked adds 4 defensive dice. Uncloak to fire when, uncloaking you can "barrel roll" your ship with a1 or 2 maneuver to reveal true location before starting actual maneuver.

Personally I hope it is nothing like AW... the games have enough in common, but I want a new and unique ability here.. something not like AW and very cool too boot... yes I am not a big AW fan as I feel some of their concepts and rules are just ridiculous.

There is an auxiliary rules card for the 'cloak' action, and another extra card for the 'decloak' action, so I bet things are not going to be as simple as many proposed.

Who knows? Maybe you put the token on the table where the TIE cloaks, removing the miniature from the board. When the TIE decloaks, it 'appears' again at a given distance from the token...

Or maybe it is the token which moves around the battlefield...

Actually, going off of Star Trek. As above.

Maybe something like:

TIE Phantom Only:

After moving you can choose to cloak as a action.

I think may it would get no shields, (Yes I know they work differently in star wars), and agility +3, but may not fire, at the end of the round remove the cloak token.

This makes it usable, but not over powered. IMO

I don't think that's the case. As someone else already pointed out, the cloak token is not green.