Before you flame me, mono is listed as an add-on to any melee weapon.

A Chain contains metal teeth, does it not make sense for mono to be 'better teeth', either 'sharper' 'harder edged' or made with better materials?

Who says nay?

I generally assume that all chain weapons are already mono'ed, since mono'ing stuff seems to be the main way of making something non-primitive. Additionally, you need sharp teeth to make a chainsaw into a viable weapon in the first place - the practice of tree spiking shows why normal chainsaws are not exactly good at penetrating armour.

However, previous discussions in the forums had more or less equal numbers arguing for and against the improvement.

If I was games mastering a game I would have to say no. Since mono gets rid of the primitive quality that has no effect on the weapon and I don't think the weapon needs the extra 2 penetration as it already benefits from the tearing rule. Its perfectly legal by the rules, but as the weapon is already very good, I would declare that a tad cheesy.

Just my opinion though, its upto you...or your GM.

You might also add the question if you can Mono a Lathe Blade... this is a hot topic.

Lathe: My opinion also yes, but lower the penetration by 1 since this upgrades improves the sharpness more as the mono upgrade


Chain weapons can be Mono'd, before IH I would have said no but now, yes....butI would increase the cost...

Santiago said:

I can't see how this can be justified. Just because it doesn't say you can't in the rules doesn't mean you can. A lathe weapon is meant to be stronger and sharper than any other edged weapon, mono'ing it would cancel out the effects.

craigpearson81 said:

Sure you can Mono a Lathe Blade, just decrease the penetration by 1

If you're arguing you can do that why decrease the pen by 1?

The whole idea is like saying...I have a sword, which is ground to a super-fine edge, now i'm going to grind it to a fine edge. That must mean its a super super-fine edge. The reason why Lathe causes more damage and has better penetration is because the edge is finer than mono. You can't then mono it and expect it to stack.

Sarcasm my dear friend,

I meant:
Sure you can mono a Lathe Blade, if you want to ruin a superior blade...

from france

the question is about chains word? okay it is perfecly clear that since in it is not descripe that chainsword are mono the ey can be upgarde to mono. but and is a huge but a nomarl sword is compose of a single blade that can be monoed a chaisnwprd is a collection of a lote very smal blade. it means tha each and every one of this micro blade must be upgrade separetly for a chainsworld to be effective. moreover i believed that normal sword can be monoed because of it lenght. i think it will be pretty difficult to mono a blade a of a chainsword to nohing of mono it entirely.

that's lead me to the conclusion the price asked for it will be beyond reasonable and tah puting aside money for a power sword will be better. unless your festish your chainsword like an artifact

Santiago said:

Aha, my apologies. I read alot of stuff about stacking and powergaming just isn't my thing. Also, apologies for derailing the thread.

I think what the 8 spider suggests is the most balanced option. If you want the upgrade, you pay for it...dearly.

Play in my game and you can only mono-uprade a primitive weapon that has an edge.

And if you even dream about thinking about asking to mono a Lathe blade you will be hung, drawn, quartered and burnt.

Well, if you realy want something insane you could get a:

Holy Lathe Chain Sword:

WS: +10%
Damage: 1d10+4R
Pen: 5
Special: Balanced, Tearing, Holy
Cost: 46.500Thrones (approx.)

(2500/15) x 225 + 500 thrones (Lathe Blade Cost/Sword Cost) x Chainsword + Sanctified weapon

Though the above example is perhaps somewhat insane I am going to give the Moritat in my game a Sanctified Lathe Longsabre a soon as she hits Reaper, she dislikes power weapons...that deserves something.

Sanctified Lathe Longsabre

WS: +10%
Damage: 1d10+4R
Pen: 5
Special: Balanced, Holy
Cost: 12.200 (approx.)

Technically you can mono any melee weapon.

It comes down to what your GM wants to allow, but per the rules yes you could mono a chainsword.

I would recommend taking the errata for manstoppers rounds as a guide, and say that mono doesn't ADD 2 penetration, but sets the penetration TO 2.

Play in my game and you can only mono-uprade a primitive weapon that has an edge.

You are aware that the errata has noted that equivalent upgrades for non-edged weapons exist?

I would say no as they are redundant. Mono means upgrading a primitive weapon to advanced/modern specs. Like the difference between an iron to steel sword. If chainswords are mono-able then it implies that substandard materials were used in its making and if so then it should be marked as primitive by default since primitive materials were used in its making and should suffer appropriate penalties. In other words a spinning butter knife still won't cut carapace armor very well.

You can mono a power sword. So they arent redundant...

If you can mono a power sword, why not a chain sword?

You can mono a power sword. So they arent redundant...

You can mono the non-powered part of a power sword - which would likely be considered a normal primitive sword otherwise.

Varius said:

Different function. A power sword doesn't actually cut with the blade, but the energy field that surrounds the black. In my game, while I allow power weapons to be given the mono upgrade (and as Cifer says), it has no effect on the energy field, so a mono power sword is still only Pen 6, because that penetration comes from the energy field... but turn the field off, and you have a mono-sword (as opposed to just a sword).

Hi fellows.

Whilst this is NOT an official ruling (saving that for the actual rules and erratas!), allow me to chime in:

The intention for Mono is that it is an upgrade that applies to primitive close combat weapons.

Thanks Ross, I think that will settle alot.

from france.

so does that closes other subject like mono arows? does it includes defensives weapons like shields?

does it includes defensives weapons like shields?

Though I'm not quite sure why you would want to pseudo-mono a shield, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. You'd likely use the same technology as with the hammer.

so does that closes other subject like mono arows?

That's actually an interesting question. What about primitive ammunition like arrows and throwing knives?

Cifer said: You are aware that the errata has noted that equivalent upgrades for non-edged weapons exist?

Of course I am. I wrote most of the errata.

I just assumed this particular discussion was relating specifically to edged weapons.

I would treat Mono-Arrows as single use items so make them 6 thrones per 5, just like Man-Stopper Rounds but onle with a Pen of 2.
If you want re-useable arrows up the cost by x2 or x3.

I should amend my statement above to say "any primitive ranged or close combat weapon." Why? Because the idea of mono-arrows and mono-throwing knives is just...well, COOL.