Yeah hamsters (Drall) start with int 4

Can you post them? they have one stat at 4, then two at 1 or something like this? How many xp do they start with?

Selonians

2/3/2/1/3/1

11+B, 10+W, 80 XP

1 rank Coordination

remove 1 setback due to darkness

tail is a Brawl weapon (that uses Agility!) Damage +1, Critical 5, Disorient 2, Knockdown (only 1 Advantage to trigger Knockdown, but increase for higher Silhouettes as usual)

Drall

1/1/4/2/2/2

8+B,12+W, 90 XP

1 rank Knowledge (Education)

When using characteristic or skill for skilled assistance also adds a Boost die to pool

On 2/7/2014 at 11:40 PM, DanteRotterdam said:

I think the 6 is fine for all species.

The fact it is a natural cap is also alright for me. I can imagine there are are many more Wookiees at 6 than there are humans at 6 which is very reasonable. A young Mike Tyson, however, was easily as strong as a Wookiee.

So I guess for me it comes down to numbers of characters who fit said categories. A Human can easily be as smart as the smartest Drall exept the university will still have 20 Drall for every human in the top of their class.

Mmmmmmmm so you're happy with Mike Tyson arm wrestling a Rancor and winning 50% of the time as they have the same strength? A beast that literally has 10 times the mass (if not more?!) What about a cybernetically enhanced Rancor? Still the same Brawn?

13 minutes ago, mwknowles said:

Mmmmmmmm so you're happy with Mike Tyson arm wrestling a Rancor and winning 50% of the time as they have the same strength? A beast that literally has 10 times the mass (if not more?!) What about a cybernetically enhanced Rancor? Still the same Brawn?

Just give the Rancor ranks in adversary and a buff to soak and call it a day.

2 minutes ago, Raicheck said:

Just give the Rancor ranks in adversary and a buff to soak and call it a day.

Could do, or beef its Brawn up to 8 and watch as blasters bounce of it and everyone gets scared!

7 minutes ago, mwknowles said:

Could do, or beef its Brawn up to 8 and watch as blasters bounce of it and everyone gets scared!

One of the great things about this game, is that it doesn't matter what your soak and wound threshold is. There's always a way to hurt you. Last game I ran, the mando tank had a soak of 9 (cortosis) and something like a wound threshold of 22.

I almost one shotted him with a heavy repeating blaster.

IMO giving them chances to roll despairs and sweating those red dice is usually better story.

2 hours ago, mwknowles said:

Mmmmmmmm so you're happy with Mike Tyson arm wrestling a Rancor and winning 50% of the time as they have the same strength? A beast that literally has 10 times the mass (if not more?!) What about a cybernetically enhanced Rancor? Still the same Brawn?

Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to resurrect threads...

I mean, RAW allows a really buff Jawa with a cyber-arm to have a higher Brawn stat than a ****** 200m long, 54,000 ton Sando Aqua Monster.

Point being, Attributes are meant to be abstractions, and also aren't meant to be a complete representation of something's abilities on their own; you have to take the whole stat block into account.

On 2/7/2014 at 2:19 AM, Simon Retold said:

I'd consider going with base racial stats +3, rather than +4. I know that it's more limiting than the current ruleset, but it would make sense if you want to keep the dice pools down.

That could be an issue for Droid characters. Droids should have basically no limits for obvious reasons.

In all honesty (and if we want to resurrect the thread, who am I to say no?), Brawn is an abstraction of strength and resilience and it works when you use this abstraction to compare humanoid species. When you compare creatures, the "simulation" starts to crack.

Is this wrong? is this the only game guilty of an unrefined representation of creatures? No, of course not.

Is a Tantaun (Br: 4) almost as strong as a Captive Rancor (Br: 6), or can 6 mynocks (Br:1) match a Rancor? Common sense says no. So, how do you represent the difference in strength? The simple answer is by Silhouette (carrying capacity and how hard is to move it against its will), Base Damage and Crit rate (How easy is to make some serious damage), and Soak.

You can also be creative if you have a player that knows he has the same stat in strength as Rancor, and wants to fight one. You can increase the difficulty of a brawling check against this particular target. Add Adversary 1 or 2 if they pretend to beat the poor monster with sticks and punches. Or increase it's soak and resistance to critical hits.

It's not in the stat block per se, but you could argue that it makes sense. You are not breaking the rules, you are just adapting to a new situation... a PC with no common sense.

14 hours ago, Raicheck said:

Just give the Rancor ranks in adversary and a buff to soak and call it a day.

Bingo. If there's a serious weight/reach discrepancy, throw a black or two on there as well.

8 hours ago, DarthHammer said:

I mean, RAW allows a really buff Jawa with a cyber-arm to have a higher Brawn stat than a ****** 200m long, 54,000 ton Sando Aqua Monster.

What's Jawa for "D'ya even lift, bro?"

39 minutes ago, Desslok said:

Bingo. If there's a serious weight/reach discrepancy, throw a black or two on there as well.

What's Jawa for "D'ya even lift, bro?"

Do you even Utinii!?

the limitation is because the dice get a little wonky when the dice pool gets too big.

17 hours ago, mwknowles said:

Mmmmmmmm so you're happy with Mike Tyson arm wrestling a Rancor and winning 50% of the time as they have the same strength? A beast that literally has 10 times the mass (if not more?!) What about a cybernetically enhanced Rancor? Still the same Brawn?

Just as an aside, holy necroposting batman! This thread was four years old, no need to drag it up from the grave like this

On 2/7/2014 at 3:43 AM, Sylrae said:

wookie  ? 

On 2/7/2014 at 3:43 AM, Sylrae said:

wookie

*Wookiee

On 2/7/2014 at 8:49 AM, mouthymerc said:

wookies

*Wookiees

On 2/7/2014 at 8:49 AM, mouthymerc said:

wookie

On 2/7/2014 at 8:49 AM, mouthymerc said:

wookie.

*Wookiee

On 2/7/2014 at 6:41 PM, UHF said:

wookie

*Wookiee

On 2/8/2014 at 4:13 AM, Sylrae said:

wookie

*Wookiee

On 2/8/2014 at 4:13 AM, Sylrae said:

wookies

*Wookiees

10 minutes ago, Yaccarus said:

*Wookiee

*Wookiees

You are like the wookiee monster

6 minutes ago, Rithuan said:

You are like the wookiee monster

https://images.app.goo.gl/QrDPn4ZRrygJtwec6

4 hours ago, TheJack said:

Just as an aside, holy necroposting batman! This thread was four years old, no need to drag it up from the grave like this

And the worst kind too...necromantic sarcasm doesn't work quite as well. It's a bit like being at a party, taking a quick break in the can, coming back out pointing your finger and saying "...and another thing!...", and everybody is gone.

7 hours ago, Rithuan said:

Is a Tantaun (Br: 4) almost as strong as a Captive Rancor (Br: 6), or can 6 mynocks (Br:1) match a Rancor?

I view most of the stat differences in the game (characteristics, silhouette) as being geometric rather than arithmetic, with lots of wiggle room in between. Also, that "1" is a problem because Br:1 accounts for everything from worms to Twi'leks. Also #2, the stat is really more about "effectiveness" than a pure raw measure, and should be tweaked depending on context. In combat, a Rancor is slow and can be avoided, which is factored into Br:6. But if you trained one to arm-wrestle at a state fair, there would be massive upgrades and setbacks for the PC, and you could easily rule that losing is an auto-crit, never mind any additional crits generated.

1 hour ago, whafrog said:

I view most of the stat differences in the game (characteristics, silhouette) as being geometric rather than arithmetic, with lots of wiggle room in between. Also, that "1" is a problem because Br:1 accounts for everything from worms to Twi'leks. Also #2, the stat is really more about "effectiveness" than a pure raw measure, and should be tweaked depending on context. In combat, a Rancor is slow and can be avoided, which is factored into Br:6. But if you trained one to arm-wrestle at a state fair, there would be massive upgrades and setbacks for the PC, and you could easily rule that losing is an auto-crit, never mind any additional crits generated.

4

I agree. It's a great way to handle.

On 4/26/2019 at 3:31 AM, TheJack said:

Just as an aside, holy necroposting batman! This thread was four years old, no need to drag it up from the grave like this

Hey it resurrected the post AND more importantly, i wanted an answer to the question. AND Necro-posting? That a real word or just the americanism of making **** words up?

On 4/25/2019 at 1:08 PM, Rithuan said:

Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to resurrect threads...

Rude! Not an old thread for me! Stop being a bully!

1 hour ago, mwknowles said:

Hey it resurrected the post AND more importantly, i wanted an answer to the question. AND Necro-posting? That a real word or just the americanism of making **** words up?

"Necroposting" means to post in old, dead threads. It is considered rude, as the proper way to get a new answer to the same question, is to post an entirely new thread re-asking it.

It is quite a common word on forums, and is not an "americanism". For the record, I am also not american.

8 hours ago, mwknowles said:

Rude! Not an old thread for me! Stop being a bully!

You are right. I'm sorry. The fact that you re-open a thread instead to create a new one show the effort to read what was already discussed. That's always a good sign.

To go with your original questions:

On 4/24/2019 at 10:25 PM, mwknowles said:

Mmmmmmmm so you're happy with Mike Tyson arm wrestling a Rancor and winning 50% of the time as they have the same strength?

That's not entirely true. They have the same Brawn rate but they can't actually arm wrestling since there is a size difference.

On 4/24/2019 at 10:25 PM, mwknowles said:

What about a cybernetically enhanced Rancor? Still the same Brawn? 

Yes. If you want additional enhancements Increase Soak, WT or even better, Brawl: The Captive Rancor has Brawl 2. If you really want a fierce opponent, increase it to 3 or 4.