Using the following:
Ibtisam + Advanced Sensors + Heavy Laser Cannon + Push the Limit + Engine Upgrade (45)
I have selected a Green maneuver. Before I move, I elect to use my advanced sensors, and barrel roll. I then decide to push the limit and Boost, which gives me a stress token. Then I execute my green maneuver. Do I then immediately lose my stress token?
Yes you do
=D
Wow that is insane!
Wow that is insane!
Eeyup. Similarly, someone who pushes the limit from Lando's Free Action can also clear the stress on a Green as well.
For that many points it better be that insane
For that many points it better be that insane
Cutting the HLC drops the price considerably but it is still sick combo to pull giving you the ultimate in maneuverability. I don't think Vader+EU or Fettigator+EU++ can come close to having as many possible pathways to travel from a given initial dial setting.
For that many points it better be that insane
Cutting the HLC drops the price considerably but it is still sick combo to pull giving you the ultimate in maneuverability. I don't think Vader+EU or Fettigator+EU++ can come close to having as many possible pathways to travel from a given initial dial setting.
I've actually done the math.
Ibtisam + Engine Upgrade + Adv Sensors + PTL has 92 flightpaths for any given non-red maneuver.
Darth Vader + Engine Upgrade + Daredevil is the second most maneuverable smallship, with 60-something options.
It sounds like a fairly sick combo, but even though it has 92 possible flight-paths, surely they are all going to land you within a fairly short distance from your starting point because you have to select a green maneuver to begin?
Vader on the other hand, with boost and 2 actions can select green or white maneuvers, and that guy can be **** near anywhere...
It sounds like a fairly sick combo, but even though it has 92 possible flight-paths, surely they are all going to land you within a fairly short distance from your starting point because you have to select a green maneuver to begin?
Vader on the other hand, with boost and 2 actions can select green or white maneuvers, and that guy can be **** near anywhere...
The difference is that the B-Wing can choose to do the boost and barrel roll actions before moving. So you can boost, then K-Turn for a very different angle, or you can barrel roll back and to the left, then boost left before turning hard right to escape a firing arc. You can nuzzle an asteroid, then barrel roll away before moving so you don't hit it. Vader can only do these actions after moving. That's why the B-Wing is so much more nimble.
"Nuzzle." You make a near collision sound kinda hot.
"Nuzzle." You make a near collision sound kinda hot.
I have this urge to write B-Wing/Asteroid slash fiction now.
One might even call it... 'Shipping' *puts on sunglasses*
Edited by SableGryphonAhhhh now it's in my head.
And strangely, I kind of like it.
If a B-Wing getting friendly with an Asteroid does it for you, how about that time that the Falcon coupled with a Star Destroyer?
For that many points it better be that insane
Cutting the HLC drops the price considerably but it is still sick combo to pull giving you the ultimate in maneuverability. I don't think Vader+EU or Fettigator+EU++ can come close to having as many possible pathways to travel from a given initial dial setting.
I've actually done the math.
Ibtisam + Engine Upgrade + Adv Sensors + PTL has 92 flightpaths for any given non-red maneuver.
Darth Vader + Engine Upgrade + Daredevil is the second most maneuverable smallship, with 60-something options.
And when the dial is considered the possible places either of these could end up gets crazy.
Ibtisam can boost + roll before moving and perhaps clear stress with a green or just move.
Using a boost OR roll all the maneuvers could follow assuming no stress at the start.
If the move happens first then you have boost, roll, boost/roll, or roll/boost options in addition to doing nothing assuming you didn't do a red.
If a B-wing with PTL and Advance Sensors were to have a red maneuver lined up for the next move, can it still PTL and perform the move.
My gut feeling is no as it would gain the stress from the PTL and no longer be able to perform the red maneuver, so what would happen next? I imagine for a k turn it would just be a 2 straight, otherwise i guess you simply can't PTL/Advanced sensors when you have a red maneuver...
If a B-wing with PTL and Advance Sensors were to have a red maneuver lined up for the next move, can it still PTL and perform the move.
My gut feeling is no as it would gain the stress from the PTL and no longer be able to perform the red maneuver, so what would happen next? I imagine for a k turn it would just be a 2 straight, otherwise i guess you simply can't PTL/Advanced sensors when you have a red maneuver...
So, here's what happens.
You use advanced sensors.
You take an action.
You activate PTL, gaining a stress.
You then take your second action.
You reveal a red maneuver. Oh no, you have a stress
You hand your movement dial to your opponent.
Your opponent chooses a green or white maneuver for you.
You complete your maneuver of shame.
In short, don't do this.
If a B-wing with PTL and Advance Sensors were to have a red maneuver lined up for the next move, can it still PTL and perform the move.
So, here's what happens.
You use advanced sensors.
You take an action.
You activate PTL, gaining a stress.
You then take your second action.
You reveal a red maneuver. Oh no, you have a stress
You hand your movement dial to your opponent.
Your opponent chooses a green or white maneuver for you.
You complete your maneuver of shame.
In short, don't do this.
Sometimes, you can boost and barrel-roll into a position where the Maneuver of Shame doesn't screw you as badly as your chosen Red Maneuver.
That situation is admittedly a severe rarity (mostly because choosing that Red Maneuver was clearly a mistake you shouldn't have made), but if you get utterly surprised by your opponent's maneuver (by them collapsing around all of the possible spots for you to have Koiograned, for example), it's a good possibility to remember.
I call it the "Bail Button", and pressing it gives you the satisfying sensation of watching the hungry look just melt off or your opponent's face as they realize that all of the options that they can dictate you perform are outside of their killbox.
I see players on vassal often by accident (or sometimes no knowledge) take an action with advanced sensors before moving when they have stress already. I have to remind them that even if they are doing a green move, it doesn't remove the stress until they actually make the move.
Just a quick note, you almost don't want to clear the stress with Ibi heading into combat... Stress is what triggers her reroll ability.
Just something to keep in mind
Just a quick note, you almost don't want to clear the stress with Ibi heading into combat... Stress is what triggers her reroll ability.
Just something to keep in mind
It's a question of sacrificing mobilitity in favor of firepower.
Having the discipline to keep her stress-free actually makes her more effective.
It's a question of sacrificing mobilitity in favor of firepower.Just a quick note, you almost don't want to clear the stress with Ibi heading into combat... Stress is what triggers her reroll ability.
Just something to keep in mind
Having the discipline to keep her stress-free actually makes her more effective.
I'd say the value in being stress free is being less predictable. You're still very mobile whether or not you are stressed or not to start the next round.
Or perhaps that's what you meant by maneuverability
It's a question of sacrificing mobilitity in favor of firepower.Just a quick note, you almost don't want to clear the stress with Ibi heading into combat... Stress is what triggers her reroll ability.
Just something to keep in mind
Having the discipline to keep her stress-free actually makes her more effective.
I'd say the value in being stress free is being less predictable. You're still very mobile whether or not you are stressed or not to start the next round.
Or perhaps that's what you meant by maneuverability
Exactly.
When you're starting the turn stressed with Ibtisam, you are essentially losing your Advanced Sensors and 11/15 of your dial, if you want actions this turn, and 6/15 if you don't.
When faced with THAT, Ibtisam's ability is not something to be sought, but rather something that takes the sting out of a bad situation.
Very good point. Guess its situational really, if you can get away with being stressed during combat and know you'll have a good position after the next movement phase (including possible boost and/or barrel rolls) then I'd say go for it. Early in the game, your recommendation might be better!
Ibtisam in the 'hypermobile" B-Wing with PtL is a study in contradictions. If she was like Soontir and got something 'permanent' for becoming stressed she would be terrifying with the AS+PtL before making a green maneuver but that isn't the case. The AS+PTL+EU B-Wing is amazing in what it can do but there are only two pilots who can do that and Ibtisam's ability requires being stressed which is counter to all of that maneuverability.
In some ways I like Ten in that combo more in part because he also acts after Ibtisam would have gone.