If it works with the concept, I would probably allow it. But then voluntarily whacking off bits and replacing them with Cybernetics is a pretty serious step and will almost certainly come with all kinds of story complications. Breakdowns, first aid, cultural bias - your 7 will come with a price. . . .

Luke preferred the mechanical option to regrowing a natural one. Same with Anakin. It's the people without cybernetics that are the freaks. Natural bits stink too much of evil clones. Robots are the future!

I think his point was that neither individual chose elective surgery to improve themselves, and Maelora has a very good set of thoughts about how droids and cybernetics are not looked upon well by the general populace.

Edit - That and Vader is not the best person to reflect the ideas of a culture.

I think his point was that neither individual chose elective surgery to improve themselves, and Maelora has a very good set of thoughts about how droids and cybernetics are not looked upon well by the general populace.

Edit - That and Vader is not the best person to reflect the ideas of a culture.

Lobot disagrees.

Lobot was another involuntary bionic man - mind you, his implant wasn't life threatening like Vader's or replacing missing limbs like Luke, but it was still mandated by an external force:

Arriving there with no means of survival—no money, job, or home—the young Lobot was arrested by the Bespin Wing Guard for stealing and convicted of the crime. However, he requested that the Baroness Administrator Ellisa Shallence preside over his case. Seeing potential in the young vagabond, Ellisa sentenced Lobot to fifteen years of involuntary service to the Cloud City community, rather than serve a lengthy prison term, and for him to undergo cyborg augmentation.

I'm just saying that while cybernetics are indeed part of the setting, they're not something to be taken lightly. This isn't Cyberpunk where you lop off your wang before a weekend bender so you can get better sexual performance the next morning.

Lobot was another involuntary bionic man - mind you, his implant wasn't life threatening like Vader's or replacing missing limbs like Luke, but it was still mandated by an external force:

Arriving there with no means of survival—no money, job, or home—the young Lobot was arrested by the Bespin Wing Guard for stealing and convicted of the crime. However, he requested that the Baroness Administrator Ellisa Shallence preside over his case. Seeing potential in the young vagabond, Ellisa sentenced Lobot to fifteen years of involuntary service to the Cloud City community, rather than serve a lengthy prison term, and for him to undergo cyborg augmentation.

I'm just saying that while cybernetics are indeed part of the setting, they're not something to be taken lightly. This isn't Cyberpunk where you lop off your wang before a weekend bender so you can get better sexual performance the next morning.

Ah yes... I will never forget the Mr. Stud implant from CP2020. In the main book if I recall, although the Chrome books were fantastic.

One question people, there is another way to say "this one is phisically superior to this other" with other thing that stats higher than 6?

Boost, Silouette or other characteristics?

One question people, there is another way to say "this one is phisically superior to this other" with other thing that stats higher than 6?

Boost, Silouette or other characteristics?

I'm not sure I follow.

Do you mean another way to model high physical characteristics other than with Brawn? Or do you mean some sort of other terminology?

I think his point was that neither individual chose elective surgery to improve themselves, and Maelora has a very good set of thoughts about how droids and cybernetics are not looked upon well by the general populace.

Edit - That and Vader is not the best person to reflect the ideas of a culture.

Well that assumes the people know about the cybernetics. Lobot had his showing and Vader couldn't really hide his, but Luke's cyber-hand looked awfully human to me. I don't know that I'd be able to tell the difference without looking closely or scanning it. It seemed nigh indistiguishable from a human hand.

FangGrip and Desslok knock it out of the park again.

I would also like to mention that Luke's cybernetic was not the type that would have granted any bonuses. His would have been more of a generic prosthetic. The same would go for Anakin's Original hand. Not sure about Vader's. The movies suggest that they were just there to keep him functioning but I imagine EU would say otherwise.

So, the Digi... Cyber-Rancor (7+) is possible?

Oh, that NPC is "On" like Donkey Kong...

I may even give him barrels to throw...

I think it is unreasonable to call out someone for sticking to a design he likes as min-maxing while that person obviously has to make pretty harsh choices for his character in doing so. It also reeks of calling other peoples games and characters "bad fun" to be honest.

Wouldn't that be the definition of min-maxing?

I wish I could recommend FangGrip and Desslok's posts more than once.

Just say 'no' to cybernetics, folks! (unless you're a droid, then it's okay!)

And poor old Steve Austin; six million dollars couldn't buy him a decent wig, even in 1970!

As regards stats, we have a character with Intellect 6 (a droid with the implant) and no wish to push it further.

I'm just saying that while cybernetics are indeed part of the setting, they're not something to be taken lightly. This isn't Cyberpunk where you lop off your wang before a weekend bender so you can get better sexual performance the next morning.

I'm not sure what you're basing that on, but considering human nature has a significant number of people doing detrimental body modification currently I completely fail to see how cybernetics would not be commonplace, especially considering that, like Luke, it could be completely hidden.

Practically everyone I know would use cybernetics right now if it was available and cheap, knees, shoulders and backs wear out, cartilage disintegrates, tendons tear. Poll people over 40 and 9 out of 10 would kill for some cybernetics. And ears and eyes, man, these things SUCK at how quickly they fall aprt. How many people wore glasses in Star Wars... yeah.

I wish I could recommend FangGrip and Desslok's posts more than once.

ust say 'no' to cybernetics, folks! (unless you're a droid, then it's okay!)

And poor old Steve Austin; six million dollars couldn't buy him a decent wig, even in 1970!

As regards stats, we have a character with Intellect 6 (a droid with the implant) and no wish to push it further.

Awh, now I'm blushing.

I'm just saying that while cybernetics are indeed part of the setting, they're not something to be taken lightly. This isn't Cyberpunk where you lop off your wang before a weekend bender so you can get better sexual performance the next morning.

I'm not sure what you're basing that on, but considering human nature has a significant number of people doing detrimental body modification currently I completely fail to see how cybernetics would not be commonplace, especially considering that, like Luke, it could be completely hidden.

Practically everyone I know would use cybernetics right now if it was available and cheap, knees, shoulders and backs wear out, cartilage disintegrates, tendons tear. Poll people over 40 and 9 out of 10 would kill for some cybernetics. And ears and eyes, man, these things SUCK at how quickly they fall aprt. How many people wore glasses in Star Wars... yeah.

Cybernetics seems to be regarded poorly in a world where droids are the very bottom the totem pole.

Vader's cybernetics make him even more monstrous.

I said it before in the other thread, but I'd imagine there was quite a bit of social conditioning against cybernetics. As a replacement, possibly. But chopping off a healthy limb to replace it with droid parts... not so cool.

This ain't Shadowrun.

And who would trust the kind of back-street chop-shop butcher wiling to perform that operation? Or get someone like Cratala from Beyond the Rim to do it, only to wake up to find she'd 'accidentally' swapped your head for that of a cyber-nexu

Well, I see a lot of people pushing "their" way as "the" way here so I will bow out of this topic and go to a different one where I do enjoy your company!

I'll leave you with one final remark, it is both immature, unnecessary and somewhat obtuse to make guesses about what other peoples games and characters are like without really knowing anything about them or the character they play.

I feel that in a narrative system such as this the strength lies so much more in roleplaying than in any other rpg I have ever played and whether you feel 6 should be sufficient where I think 7 is still fine doesn't make me a "min-maxer" any more then it makes you focus on the rules too much (it is just one dice guys, come on) instead of the roleplaying element.

I feel the fun comes first and the rules come second and if someone plays a character with a 7 in a characteristic very well it can be a lot of fun whereas a well rounded badly played character can still ruin pretty much any game. There is a cap in the game, no one here intends to go over it so leave your holier-than-thou attitude at the door. No one is telling Maelora her game is bad-fun because she disregards 90% of the star wars universe, no one (except for Erik-b ) is telling anyone that playing imperials is bad, no-one is at my table and can judge the games I am in or the characters I play except for my players and GM so please refrain from telling me "things get silly" or "this ain't shadowrun" (especially from you maelora, I expect better.)

And poor old Steve Austin; six million dollars couldn't buy him a decent wig, even in 1970!

The Seventies did give him a killer Pornstache, tho!

I'm not sure what you're basing that on, but considering human nature has a significant number of people doing detrimental body modification currently I completely fail to see how cybernetics would not be commonplace, especially considering that, like Luke, it could be completely hidden.

I'm basing it on how much cybered up people we see in the movies. We've got Vader, Luke, Grevious and Lobot - and that's it. Four out of how many main and supporting characters (and that's not counting people like Ice Cream Maker guy who was on screen for 10 frames) out of six movies. If it was so easy, desirable or socially acceptable, then why don't we see more bionic people?

***EDIT***

I've been watching my boxed set of the SM$M over the last couple of months, and I was watching Steve fight other bionic monsters and creatures and men, trying to determine if only having one bionic arm would be a detriment when fighting Death Probes and Bigfoots or would I willingly give up another slice of humanity for more power and strength.

I came to the conclusion that there's no way that I'd voluntarily augment myself like that. That's just too much to give up. Somehow I can't imagine I'm alone in that thinking.

Well, to be fair Luke's cybernetics are indistinguishable from real limbs, so who knows how many others have them? But having a character that is shunned a biit might be cool to play as well...

Ahhh sh!t... That was not bowing out.

I had a couple of wines. Hahahaha

Well, I see a lot of people pushing "their" way as "the" way here so I will bow out of this topic and go to a different one where I do enjoy your company!

I'll leave you with one final remark, it is both immature, unnecessary and somewhat obtuse to make guesses about what other peoples games and characters are like without really knowing anything about them or the character they play.

I feel that in a narrative system such as this the strength lies so much more in roleplaying than in any other rpg I have ever played and whether you feel 6 should be sufficient where I think 7 is still fine doesn't make me a "min-maxer" any more then it makes you focus on the rules too much (it is just one dice guys, come on) instead of the roleplaying element.

I feel the fun comes first and the rules come second and if someone plays a character with a 7 in a characteristic very well it can be a lot of fun whereas a well rounded badly played character can still ruin pretty much any game. There is a cap in the game, no one here intends to go over it so leave your holier-than-thou attitude at the door. No one is telling Maelora her game is bad-fun because she disregards 90% of the star wars universe, no one (except for Erik-b ) is telling anyone that playing imperials is bad, no-one is at my table and can judge the games I am in or the characters I play except for my players and GM so please refrain from telling me "things get silly" or "this ain't shadowrun" (especially from you maelora, I expect better.)

Hmm. And here I thought I put that as politely as possible, especially after that first inflammatory line. Ah well, time to move on.

No worries, dude. I might be a bit touchy when it comes to this because my games are always extremely varied and non-munchkin...

No worries, dude. I might be a bit touchy when it comes to this because my games are always extremely varied and non-munchkin...

I think you may be. Keep in mind, I am not saying that any style of game play is wrong...simply not for me. I only explained myself in detail at the inflammatory badgering of that other comment by someone else.

While I don't usually enjoy them as a regular diet, I do play HACKMASTER. If there is a more munchkin game out there, albeit played for humor, I can't think of it. It mainly depends on what the group wants to play.

My comments, and my personal belief, come from playing way too many hours with way too many different style of gamers.

I find that certain causes often tend to have similar consequences that I have chosen to avoid.

Do me a favor, even though I can't drink... have a few sips for me will ya?

Well, to be fair Luke's cybernetics are indistinguishable from real limbs, so who knows how many others have them? But having a character that is shunned a biit might be cool to play as well...

Fair enough - although I'll submit that with so much minutia of the characters outlined and expanded upon (I bet Ice Cream Maker Guy has 10 pages of background on Wookiepedia), that if Han or Leia or Jabba had bionics, we'd have heard about it by now.

Not saying that someone shunned because of his cybernetics wouldn't be a cool character with a good story arc - Valance the Hunter is one of my favorite characters from the Marvel Comics run. So it can be done, and done well. Just that at my table there would be some kind of repercussions to cybernetics, not just a player going "Gimmie Maximum power!"

Will do!

Actually, I do see where you are coming from. I have been a GM for over 22 years now and are very much comfortable in creating a relaxed game where everyone at the table can "find their fun." Having said that, I have, in the past, booted out players whose fun was interfering with the fun of others and these guys were mostly of the min-maxing persuasion. However, I see very little chance of that happening with this sytem. It is so much narrative based and char/skills only add so much to it that a cinematic focus pretty much is ensured no matter what.

Well, to be fair Luke's cybernetics are indistinguishable from real limbs, so who knows how many others have them? But having a character that is shunned a biit might be cool to play as well...

Fair enough - although I'll submit that with so much minutia of the characters outlined and expanded upon (I bet Ice Cream Maker Guy has 10 pages of background on Wookiepedia), that if Han or Leia or Jabba had bionics, we'd have heard about it by now.

Not saying that someone shunned because of his cybernetics wouldn't be a cool character with a good story arc - Valance the Hunter is one of my favorite characters from the Marvel Comics run. So it can be done, and done well. Just that at my table there would be some kind of repercussions to cybernetics, not just a player going "Gimmie Maximum power!"

Which would open up a lot of fun situations and obligations perhaps!

Concerning Han and Leia's implants I don't really want to know. It's just not that kind of movie!

Well, in theroy one could cyber up beyond the human limit. Exhibit A, m'lard:

(A Link for Haley, so she doesn't go "Who are those people?" ).

LOL... very appreciated!!! Worked even better for me since I don't see pics...