I do like some of the prequal ships since I loved the tv series if not quite as in love with the clunky movies. The problem to me isn't the ships per se it's which faction do you add them too? since the Republic becomes the Empire the ships it flew kind of ended up or evolved into the Rebel and Empire ships that we know and love. Without adding new factions how do you sort them? Z-95 seems like an obvious rebel ship, same for the earlier armoured Y-wing, maybe the ARC-170, what about the V-Wing and ETA-2 do they become empire since they are TIE precursors? Do you try and fit in the Seperatists droids and various race ships at all?

That's why my opening post was about a separate game. Though some players might like to mix things up from time to time (like me), I think the two eras should stay as two different eras.

I do like some of the prequal ships since I loved the tv series if not quite as in love with the clunky movies. The problem to me isn't the ships per se it's which faction do you add them too? since the Republic becomes the Empire the ships it flew kind of ended up or evolved into the Rebel and Empire ships that we know and love. Without adding new factions how do you sort them? Z-95 seems like an obvious rebel ship, same for the earlier armoured Y-wing, maybe the ARC-170, what about the V-Wing and ETA-2 do they become empire since they are TIE precursors? Do you try and fit in the Seperatists droids and various race ships at all?

That's why my opening post was about a separate game. Though some players might like to mix things up from time to time (like me), I think the two eras should stay as two different eras.

I did not even consider order 66 and the fact that evil vs good side changes, so it would be difficult to reconsile this

Well the V-Wing was in use by the Empire until replaced by the Tie, and then went into mainly Hutt use, though might be still in use in Empire system fleets or Garrisons. The Arc-170 would probably be picked up by the Rebels, though it later appeared in use by the Empire Remnants. The ETA-2 and the Aethersprite would have probably went out of general use.

Order 66....one of the darkest moments in the film.

Surely Anakin must have realized he picked the wrong side when he was ordered to kill younglings.

As usual, good and evil is viewpoint held by those in authority and those who submit to such authority must accept it as fact. How many "good" people served the Empire? How many "evil" people joined the rebellion?

Anyway, loving the discussion here. Lot's of pros and cons, and some solutions to the cons.

I do like some of the prequal ships since I loved the tv series if not quite as in love with the clunky movies. The problem to me isn't the ships per se it's which faction do you add them too? since the Republic becomes the Empire the ships it flew kind of ended up or evolved into the Rebel and Empire ships that we know and love. Without adding new factions how do you sort them? Z-95 seems like an obvious rebel ship, same for the earlier armoured Y-wing, maybe the ARC-170, what about the V-Wing and ETA-2 do they become empire since they are TIE precursors? Do you try and fit in the Seperatists droids and various race ships at all?

I think it would have to be done by Factions with the addition of an "allies" sort of mechanic.

there must have been a time while the Empire was looking for cheaper to produce starfighters to fit new Naval Doctrines. So while phasing out old republic ships they would have been using both Republic and Empire craft.

Likewise the Rebels would be using whatever they could get their hands on which would be old republic castoffs leading to "Republic and Rebel" allies.

which would leave the question "who would ally with ships from the CIS?" depending on how the ships would be designed for the game I think a good idea would be a ruling saying: "Empire cannot ally with Rebels, Republic cannot ally with CIS"

With a ruling along those lines it would display that transitional time frame...

It would be "Crossing the Streams" while not ruining canon/lore.

Bring em on. They all will make great additions to the game. If you don't like mixing, then don't. If you do you can. And they really are running out of ships after the next wave or so.

If anyone cares, after I finish my Customs Corvette, I'm starting an Action Transport. I already have plans for the ship after that. Since we're on the subject, I'll just mention that it is a CR20.

As it has already been said, the Clone Wars was recently "before the Dark Times, before the Empire." I'm sure that it would be reasonable to assume that many service vehicles and other military surplus items were used in private hands long after the fall of the Jedi. In the U.S. after WW2, farmers used military halftracks to plow their fields and pull things. WW2 deuce-and-a-halves are still in wide use in public and private hands.

Here I am, using real world precedence to satisfy my justifications in fiction.

Anyhow, a CR20 was a mass produced vehicle which would be easy to find parts for. It has ample speed, durability, and storage for light freight duty, or smuggling. When I finish my CR20, it will be the flagship of my smuggler's caravan and my pirate faction.

Well it's not even that.. it's 19 years.. I would guess over 90% of the fighters on the Earth at the moment were put into production over 19 years ago.

Hyperdrive is 25,000 years old in the time of Star Wars (it doesn't really matter what movies you are talking about) It is conceivable that the fighters would be closer in capabilities than one might expect. Think more like 25 years advancement in swords and armor technology during the Roman Empire. There was some development, but not like say from the F-4 to the YF-22.

I'm not a great fan of Episodes I-III, but my problem with the movies has little to do with the fighters. I also acknowledge that the game will need to keep expanding to keep people interested. I don't see it for a while, but I think it could work. I can imagine it using the same rules, and being totally compatible, but involving a new starter box.

Well, besides the droid fighters, there were Geonosian fighters too. But I would be interested in Clone War era ships.

I'm all for it. The prequel ships are beautiful machines.

I say they should just open up the game to all the movies, TV shows and books. it you don't like them don't fly them. I am a BIG BIG origional trilogy fan, but have no issues with other ships.

I'd have no problem with that but personally, i would not be likely to buy or use them. For me it just isn't the right "flavor".

I am not a fan of most of the ship designs from the prequels, In general they seemed a bit lazy. But that doesnt mean i dont think they should not be available. If you dont want them simply do not buy them.

Im all for keeping as many SW fans as happy as possible. In the meantime it wouldnt be hard to fake the N1 fighter with a micro machine racing boat and a couple of ME262 engines, chop the wings and tail off of a off of a Lockheed P-38 to get an Utupau P-38 and or make Sebulbas podracer with an A-10 fuselage simply turned backwards *L*

As fan of all six movies I'd love to see prequel/clone wars ships added to the game at some point. If they make it a "separate" game that's fine, as long as all the rules are the same, so for casual play people could do rebels vs republic, or imperials vs separatists, etc.

If they would let all factions work in tournament play that would be great too. Doesn't the star trek game already use multiple factions?

Otherwise if they don't want to go full blown on that era, there's a few ships that were still around by the OT times as others have said. They could be even cheaper rebel and imperial options if nothing else.

Technically they already have a precedent, as the seismic charges are a 100% prequel invention. You can even argue the slave 1 stats are based off of ep2 as that's the only movie we saw it in action.

There's plenty of ships to choose from:

Naboo (N-1) Starfighter

General Grievous Starfighter

Vulture Droid

Tri Droid

ARC-170

V-Wing

P-38

Geonosian Fighter

Both versions of the jedi starfighter

Z-95 (from clone wars)

original Y-Wing (from clone wars)

Sorry but as the meme says: nope nope nope nope.

The prequel ships don`t interest me. They don't look as cool, they would be 19 years in the opposite direction so they would be worse Fighters than the ones we have now, and I kind of feel like some of the designs were just drek in the prequels. Yes the Arc170 and V wings look cool, but I cannot think of one droid fighter that I would like to see on the table.

And yes I am not a fan of the prequels. And maybe that colors my judgement. But I think Fantasy Flight won't do the prequel ships because the know where the money is.

Then don't play with them. As I said before, their inclusion does not diminish your enjoyment of the game. Simply don't play with them.

But not having them does diminish my enjoyment. I want them.

Uh, this thread is asking about people's Opinions so he gave that. No, Duh he doesn't have to fly them but he may have to fly against someone who does have them.

I feel the Prequels are appallingly offensive to all my senses. They don't appear to match on any level...I even feel that consistency is broken by these ships even if there is only a 19 year difference. 19 year old technology seems to be better than the Original Trilogy's Technology.

This is my opinion, and it's fine if FFG wants to dip into the Prequels but I feel the real genius will be exploring the EU...from Avengers, Defenders, Gunboats, Missile Boats, E-wings, Updated X-wing Versions, Z-95, etc... I feel like what someone else mentioned, there is much more to be had by introducing ships that fit the universe like a lock and key than trying to force obscure ships into the mix. Plus, with the New Movies right around the corner, this could really blow the possibilities wide open.

I'm sure FFG's staff probably debate this stuff all the time too...whether they should go back and do Prequel ships or not; and I'm sure they're split down the middle to a certain degree as well.

I would love a clone wars version of this game, i think we will see that down the road. From a marketing viewpoint i believe lucasfilm is holding them back and pushing the OT right now to gear everyone up for episode 7. Perhaps after that has been out and we see some ships from the new movies they will open the vaults of the prequel ships to give us a new game.

While it wud be fun to see how something like a Naboo fighter would compare to OT ships IF FFG decided to branch to a different time period, wouldn't doing the old republic be better? Surely there would be more IP freedom with having an expandalone game set then.

I would love to see a clone wars game, but I'm not sure if the FFG license covers close wars/prequel trilogy stuff..

No, I don't think their license covers it. Either that or they chose not to mess with it. As we know all SW products by FFG are set in the Rebellion / OT era. That said licenses will have to be renegotiated with Disney anyway... I just hope they can renew the license.

No, I don't think their license covers it. Either that or they chose not to mess with it. As we know all SW products by FFG are set in the Rebellion / OT era. That said licenses will have to be renegotiated with Disney anyway... I just hope they can renew the license.

You say that, but there are Clone Wars items in X-Wing, Senator's Shuttle, the seismic charges, so it suggests that they have some access. It just may be that they feel they have enough to work with in the Rebelion Era for the card game.

I feel the real genius will be exploring the EU...from Avengers, Defenders, Gunboats, Missile Boats, E-wings, Updated X-wing Versions, Z-95, etc... I feel like what someone else mentioned, there is much more to be had by introducing ships that fit the universe like a lock and key than trying to force obscure ships into the mix. Plus, with the New Movies right around the corner, this could really blow the possibilities wide open.

I agree, I think the EU (especially with the announcement that they're considering it canon) as well as the forthcoming Episodes VII-IX, is the way forward. With a December 2015 release date they only have a few more waves to go before they'd be able to release ships for the new film.

I think we may see some card packs being released in future waves too. Imagine a rebel pilots pack and an imperial pilots pack with new pilots for each of the ships. Also repaints could be included in future waves (corsec x-wing anyone?)

I'm not entirely sure on the new movies, on one hand they would be mad not to add things, on the other hand if Mark Hammil, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford are in the 1st movie and the rest are following their Children, we are talking at least 30+ years after Yavin. Which doesn't really fit the time period of the game. Maybe they will just release ships that would have been around in the period of the X-Wing games that appear in the movies.. The Rebels cartoon is a much better bet for ships for X-Wing as that happens just before the 1st trilogy.

I think they'd be mad to miss a trick and not release movie tie-ins. Also in the EU X-Wing's are still in use even when the next generation are central characters. (ok mainly by Rogue Squadron but still…)

I say they should just open up the game to all the movies, TV shows and books. it you don't like them don't fly them. I am a BIG BIG origional trilogy fan, but have no issues with other ships.

I'd have no problem with that but personally, i would not be likely to buy or use them. For me it just isn't the right "flavor".

The only flavor I detest is a jar² binks. I like the ships from I-III but I never watch Phantom Menace because mesa get really annoyed and throw mooy mooy sharpies. Honestly, I watched it once this summer. It was probably the first time since the its release.

I would use Clone War era ships despite the movies I-III.

Sorry but as the meme says: nope nope nope nope.

The prequel ships don`t interest me. They don't look as cool, they would be 19 years in the opposite direction so they would be worse Fighters than the ones we have now, and I kind of feel like some of the designs were just drek in the prequels. Yes the Arc170 and V wings look cool, but I cannot think of one droid fighter that I would like to see on the table.

And yes I am not a fan of the prequels. And maybe that colors my judgement. But I think Fantasy Flight won't do the prequel ships because the know where the money is.

Then don't play with them. As I said before, their inclusion does not diminish your enjoyment of the game. Simply don't play with them.

But not having them does diminish my enjoyment. I want them.

Uh, this thread is asking about people's Opinions so he gave that. No, Duh he doesn't have to fly them but he may have to fly against someone who does have them.

I feel the Prequels are appallingly offensive to all my senses. They don't appear to match on any level...I even feel that consistency is broken by these ships even if there is only a 19 year difference. 19 year old technology seems to be better than the Original Trilogy's Technology.

This is my opinion, and it's fine if FFG wants to dip into the Prequels but I feel the real genius will be exploring the EU...from Avengers, Defenders, Gunboats, Missile Boats, E-wings, Updated X-wing Versions, Z-95, etc... I feel like what someone else mentioned, there is much more to be had by introducing ships that fit the universe like a lock and key than trying to force obscure ships into the mix. Plus, with the New Movies right around the corner, this could really blow the possibilities wide open.

I'm sure FFG's staff probably debate this stuff all the time too...whether they should go back and do Prequel ships or not; and I'm sure they're split down the middle to a certain degree as well.

I can confirm that this topic is indeed about opinions.

My opinion is that I wouldn't like Clone Wars in with the rest of the X-Wing range. But I also see no point in doing completely separate rules. So just release some expansion packs and let players do what they want. Alternatively, do a Republic and CIS starter pack with rules. Merlin made a good suggestion of simply stating in the rules who can or cannot ally with whom.

Clone Wars

Old Republic

New Trilogy

I would welcome them all....because they're Star Wars. Simple as that.

I'd play with Clone Wars ships only because I have a friend who would play as the Confederacy ships while I like the Republic army. Not that big on the ARC-170, because I think it's ridiculous to have two pilots AND a droid flying it, but I'd totally use the V-Wing and V-19 Torrent against Vultures and Hyenas.