Seems iffy. Star Wars smugglers also deal in routes and distance. Making it part of the slang could lead to dangerous misinterpretation for those in the biz. It "ain't like dusting crops" after all.

Not when it's actually used in a sentence such as, "My ship can go 12 Parsecs". We all understood Han meant some sort of speed and not how much gas he had in the tank when he spoke of the Kessel Run. In-universe they would automatically know he meant 12 Parsecs per the standard unit of time for ship speeds and not 12 Parsecs maximum distance since that would obviously be way too small for a ship in Star Wars to get anywhere like we see.

When someone says, "I'm 5 10", we know he meant he's 5' 10" tall and not 510 pounds.

Not when it's actually used in a sentence such as, "My ship can go 12 Parsecs". We all understood Han meant some sort of speed and not how much gas he had in the tank when he spoke of the Kessel Run.

Until Luke looked at it, at which point he was probably thinking "Yeah, I'll bet it couldn't get much further than 12 Parsecs."

Seems iffy. Star Wars smugglers also deal in routes and distance. Making it part of the slang could lead to dangerous misinterpretation for those in the biz. It "ain't like dusting crops" after all.

Not when it's actually used in a sentence such as, "My ship can go 12 Parsecs". We all understood Han meant some sort of speed and not how much gas he had in the tank when he spoke of the Kessel Run. In-universe they would automatically know he meant 12 Parsecs per the standard unit of time for ship speeds and not 12 Parsecs maximum distance since that would obviously be way too small for a ship in Star Wars to get anywhere like we see.

When someone says, "I'm 5 10", we know he meant he's 5' 10" tall and not 510 pounds.

Not necessarily. I've worked with bariatric patients where "I'm five ten" did not refer to height.

Not necessarily. I've worked with bariatric patients where "I'm five ten" did not refer to height.

You're proving my point. You are putting context to a conversation. Luke and Han's conversation also had a context. It was about speed, not distance. "I've outrun Imperial starships". So the Parsec reference was obviously about speed, not distance.

If you landed yourself in a conversation without any context at all, a person walked into your living room and said, "I'm 5 10", what would you assume he was speaking of unless he was Jabba the Hutt?

I don't think anyone is wrong with the Parsec retcon above, just that there is a simpler way to explain George's screw up.

We've made several posts now off topic I will obstain for now.

Actually, I'm of the opinion that Han was just throwing words out to bluff the farmboy and old man, to make his ship look good, as was intended in the original script. Sure, the retcon is fun, and works well to make Han more legitimate, but the original idea of it was Han was trying to trump up his ship to make it sound amazing to a couple of desert-dwellers who probably didn't know any better.

I'm still sticking with the original notion that Han was just trying to fast-talk what he thought were a couple of local rubes, having no clue that the old guy was a veteran Jedi Knight with a wealth of knowledge and experience when it came to such things. A notion backed up by Sir Alec's facial expression that all but screamed "oh really now?" when Han said that line about parsecs. Luke didn't really know any better, but Obi-Wan did and simply took it as Han boasting; he even remarks later "if the ship's as fast as he's boasting, we ought to do well."

I'm still sticking with the original notion that Han was just trying to fast-talk what he thought were a couple of local rubes, having no clue that the old guy was a veteran Jedi Knight with a wealth of knowledge and experience when it came to such things. A notion backed up by Sir Alec's facial expression that all but screamed "oh really now?" when Han said that line about parsecs. Luke didn't really know any better, but Obi-Wan did and simply took it as Han boasting; he even remarks later "if the ship's as fast as he's boasting, we ought to do well."

Keep in mind he also said that it can "make it point-five" past light speed, which is its hyperdrive class. That's more the indicator of speed. The Kessel Run is more a testament to the prowess of the ship's pilot and crew.

Han improved in his ability to lie.

Sure we see him roll some Threats and Despairs in a New Hope

He pays for all these past transgressions in Empire.

Then in Return of the Jedi, he fools the Imperials at the shield bunker, luring them into a trap that allowed the shield to be taken down and the Death Star to be destroyed.

(And in the trash compactor, Leia says "We've already tried!" Cunning is not prescience, after all.)

"You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?…It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs."

He's obviously not referring to the speed he went, I wouldn't brag about how my car made it to the store in less than sixty miles. He either is lying without knowing that a parsec is distance and not time, or, you know, the retcon.

Or he's talking about how he was able to work a hyperspace shortcut to shorten the distance needed to travel on the kessel run.

Having the same conversation in 2 different threads takes me back to the ErikB days. Ah nostalgia.

I assumed he rolled a few threats on that skullduggery check to hide with the star destroyer's refuse, Leia rolled a despair but managed to retain enough success to fool Vader and Tarkin but Tarkin blew up Alderaan...

I could see something similar with the asteroid chase where they think the threats rolled refer to the mynocks until someone cottons on that maybe this isn't a cave (or read some Terry Pratchett not sure if they were out back then though! )

As for a certain Death Star and all those who considered whether it was an inside job has anyone thought Palpatine deliberately sabotaged it because he assumed Tarkin would use it to kill him as its second target?

After all why would you immediately start building a second one unless you knew the first wasn't going to be around for much longer once it proved functional?