Hello. Just an idle thought...would Han Solo have a low cunning rating, of 2...or even *gasp* 1?

Let us have a look:-

When Han Solo is first introduced,he states that the millenium falcon can do the kessel run in 12 parsecs (I know, there is debate about this, apparently in an early draft of the script the actor playing kenobi was supposed to give him a look as if to say he knew it was an obvious an incorrect post, though others reckon it is just doing the kessel run in a shorter distance)

When Han Solo boards the Death Start, and tries to convince the Storm Troopers (in the prison after the shots) that everything is fine, pointing out reactors in the prison, and failing...miserably.

So he is a poor liar.

When Han Solo is in the trash compactor...and decides it is a good idea to shoot the blast proof walls (others, or at least leia, knowing this a bad idea)

Han Solo never manage to get a lie past jabba the Hutt, "I will pay you double...triple!"

He never does anything cunning related (slicing) doesn't notice the twig when sneaking (poor perception leading to it clicking in Return of the Jedi), doesn't notice he is flying into a big massive space worms mouth until after shooting it a couple of times (empire strikes back)

Sure, Han has a good brawn, massive presence and a fair amount of agility...but cunning, cunning must have been his dump stat.

Why couldn't all of those have simply been him failing key rolls despite good Cunning?

Sure, Han has a good brawn, massive presence and a fair amount of agility...but cunning, cunning must have been his dump stat.

He demonstrated aptitude in Survival, particularly when he improvised a solution to keep Luke alive on Hoth. Han also pulled off a Skulduggery trick when he attached to the ISD and then drifted off in the garbage (Boba Fett too showed Cunning in predicting this action).

Thought of the moment: Isn't it possible for a movie character to have non-career skill ranks and simply have paid more XP for the same level of proficiency?

Sure, Han has a good brawn, massive presence and a fair amount of agility...but cunning, cunning must have been his dump stat.

He demonstrated aptitude in Survival, particularly when he improvised a solution to keep Luke alive on Hoth. Han also pulled off a Skulduggery trick when he attached to the ISD and then drifted off in the garbage (Boba Fett too showed Cunning in predicting this action).

I wouldn't call the ship skullduggery, more piloting and common sense (i.e., players says, wait...could I do this?, GM replies, "Make a knowledge education roll to see if you know that the sensors on a ISD don't see things attached and a pilotting roll to attach yourself discretely..."

And the survival on Hoth, I would call that use of lightside points! (or maybe a low cunning but a couple of ranks in Survival to help him)

Ever since reading the webcomic, Darth's and Droids (where it goes the star wars, the 3 prequels and currently the original trilogy, as if each character is played by a roleplayer)

Han is played as a player who doesn't always think things through...and it does make perfect sense, Han doesn't seem to think things through that carefully.

A Pilot roll based on Cunning instead of Agility, perhaps?

Han doesn't seem to think things through that carefully.

I wouldn't say that being brash necessarily means he has low Cunning. He runs with his gut feeling though, that's for sure. Sometimes it works out for him and other times it doesn't. That's just the luck of the dice.

Greedo didn't see the ol ,blaster shot under the table coming, so I'd say his deception check worked. Managed to bluff his way into the bunker on Endor with the ol, wear the other guys hat trick, another Deception check success. Tracked down Luke on Hoth and kept them both alive through a blizzard in a pup tent, so Survival must be pretty good. Might not have the greatest Cunning score but I'd say he does ok.

I wouldn't call the ship skullduggery, more piloting and common sense (i.e., players says, wait...could I do this?, GM replies, "Make a knowledge education roll to see if you know that the sensors on a ISD don't see things attached and a pilotting roll to attach yourself discretely..."

Knowledge (Edu)?!?

I like Knowledge (Warfare/Galactic Civil War/Whatever they are calling it these days) a lot better for that one.

One of the things I love about Han Solo as a character is that he clearly has a VERY overinflated opinion of himself!

He's charming and lovable but I agree with the original poster, all those great moments from the movies show that he may not actually have the high Cunning he thinks he has

After looking through some TV Tropes pop psycho-analysis of Edward Kenway from Assassin's Creed IV, I wouldn't be surprised if Han Solo's got a similar issue as Edward -- he's got the Cunning, the Willpower, and the Presence, but also an unhealthy overestimation of himself and just how far the boundaries of his ability really go (albeit that comes back to bite Edward harder than it does Han).

Maybe the Emperor (GM) tossed some Dark Side at his rolls? Ever think about that smarty pants?

I did that to my player's negotiation checks on Cholgana. Man... they were mad.

I'd say Han is really more of a Pilot/Scoundrel, with a good general base of skills from both but not specialized to the point of perfection in one craft. His primary skills that I could see used in the movies would have been Piloting, Ranged (Light), Survival (explaining his unconventional tactics), and Charm, with the last failing quite often except with Leia.

In the context of how EotE practically identifies Solo's career as Smuggler, I'd say that what you describe is more of his specializations.

4, Han Solo has 4 Cunning...

I have nothing to back this up.

4, Han Solo has 4 Cunning...

I have nothing to back this up.

I'm convinced.

He never does anything cunning related (slicing) doesn't notice the twig when sneaking (poor perception leading to it clicking in Return of the Jedi), doesn't notice he is flying into a big massive space worms mouth until after shooting it a couple of times (empire strikes back)

No one else noticed either, so C3PO, R2D2, Leia, and Chewie must all also have low cunning? Afterall, Han thought of the idea to hide in an asteroid and he was the only one to finally figure out they were inside a worm.

Sure, Han has a good brawn,

He does?

He demonstrated aptitude in Survival, particularly when he improvised a solution to keep Luke alive on Hoth.

And the survival on Hoth, I would call that use of lightside points! (or maybe a low cunning but a couple of ranks in Survival to help him)

So wait, couldn't everything that you described Han screwed up above likewise be described by a GM's use of darkside points? The Force works both ways. Literally.

ETA: Thanks for the topic, I'm sure this one has legs as it inevitably will morph into "Stat Han Solo" with everyone arguing for their personal version.

He never does anything cunning related (slicing) doesn't notice the twig when sneaking (poor perception leading to it clicking in Return of the Jedi), doesn't notice he is flying into a big massive space worms mouth until after shooting it a couple of times (empire strikes back)

No one else noticed either, so C3PO, R2D2, Leia, and Chewie must all also have low cunning? Afterall, Han thought of the idea to hide in an asteroid and he was the only one to finally figure out they were inside a worm.

Sure, Han has a good brawn,

He does?

He demonstrated aptitude in Survival, particularly when he improvised a solution to keep Luke alive on Hoth.

And the survival on Hoth, I would call that use of lightside points! (or maybe a low cunning but a couple of ranks in Survival to help him)

So wait, couldn't everything that you described Han screwed up above likewise be described by a GM's use of darkside points? The Force works both ways. Literally.

ETA: Thanks for the topic, I'm sure this one has legs as it inevitably will morph into "Stat Han Solo" with everyone arguing for their personal version.

**** straight!

And R2 D2 did lots of slicing! Numerous times

Han Solo's only attempt at hacking a door (on the forest moon of Endor to the shield room) lead to him shutting it further! (despair) and it was up to trusty R2 D2 with his supeiror cunning skills to save the day.

Leia...she was able to lie to Darth Vader (though that may be more will with the torture) but Leia didn't do anything else..so she may have a low cunning!

And Han does beat up a lot of people, usually with a couple of punches. On Endor he takes out a few guards (one by throwing a box at him), doesn't get beat up by others. True, nothing to show an exceptional brawn...but better than average I reckon.

(Truth be told...he could have a high cunning! You raise good points, but **** it, I like the idea of Han Solo having Low Cunning...so I will be selectively pointing out the bits where his cunning fails and ignoring those that work)

To make it super offical:-

High cunning points:-

Survival on Hoth with Ton Ton cutting

Hiding ship from Empire (though I reckon this could be knowledge and pilotting instead, or a player choice rather than acunning test)

Maybe the blaster under the table (probbaly just a player choice rathe rthan a cunning test)

Low cunning:-

Couldn't lie to Death Star Staff whilst in the prison

Couldn't lie to ben (only if going off original script) in first meeting

Couldn't open Endors base door slicing and actually lead it to shutting harder

Shooting lazer in trash compactor (maybe not cunning, maybe just ill thought player choice!)

Can't get one past Jabba the Hutt or his bounty hunters, "Double! No triple!" though that would be difficult for anyone to make

If I'm following my own rules for d20 conversion (which are possibly terrible, but detailed here, lol http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/96891-d20-conversion-how-to-hopefully-eventually-a-guide/?p=954616)...

Then I come up with Han having 3 Cunning (based on his d20 Wisdom). Sorry, I mis-spoke before, lol.

He'd also have 3 Brawn, 4 Agility, 4 Intellect, and 4 Presence.

So you're talking about a truly heroic, Nemesis type character (which I believe the NPCs section of the CRB allows for). But I mean... he did save the galaxy... arguably twice (if you're only sticking to the movies).

For funsies, if I were converting Chewy, using the same method:

6 Brawn (he actually hits what "reasonably" amounts to a stat cap in d20), 3 Agility, 3 Intellect, 2 Cunning, 2 Presence

Maybe the blaster under the table (probbaly just a player choice rathe rthan a cunning test)

I think many of us would make this Skulduggery (Cunning) versus Greedo's Perception. Skullduggery includes "picking pockets...sleight of hand....and other mischievous actions". I'm not talking about the shot itself, but pulling the blaster out without Greedo the Killer Pimp* noticing.

*You get extra points if you know what I'm referencing.

Parseq is a time unit. 12 parseqs Is the best recorded for the Kessel run. Case closed

Maybe the blaster under the table (probbaly just a player choice rathe rthan a cunning test)

I think many of us would make this Skulduggery (Cunning) versus Greedo's Perception. Skullduggery includes "picking pockets...sleight of hand....and other mischievous actions". I'm not talking about the shot itself, but pulling the blaster out without Greedo the Killer Pimp* noticing.

*You get extra points if you know what I'm referencing.

Sometimes you just have to say, "Kriff it".

Parseq is a time unit. 12 parseqs Is the best recorded for the Kessel run. Case closed

Where'd you get this? A Parsec is a measure of distance, not time. In astrophysics it is a shortened term for "the parallax of one arc second" measured off of one standard Astronomical Unit. It works out to about 3.26 light years. It was later retconned in the fluff that the Falcon was able to follow the straightest path yet set past the Maw on the Kessel run because of its immense speed through hyperspace, so it could cut closer to the gravity shadows of those black holes.

Parseq is a time unit. 12 parseqs Is the best recorded for the Kessel run. Case closed

Where'd you get this? A Parsec is a measure of distance, not time. In astrophysics it is a shortened term for "the parallax of one arc second" measured off of one standard Astronomical Unit. It works out to about 3.26 light years. It was later retconned in the fluff that the Falcon was able to follow the straightest path yet set past the Maw on the Kessel run because of its immense speed through hyperspace, so it could cut closer to the gravity shadows of those black holes.

Getting off topic, but I have to comment. The retcon I think was not needed. Yes Parsec is a distance, not speed. It's like saying a car can go "12 Kilometers", without saying "Kilometers per Hour".

But, why can't it just be explained by a common shorthand lingo in the Star Wars universe? We say M.P.H. and K.P.H. as a shorthand for speed. But, we could have ended up saying just "200 Kilos" or "100 Ms" when referring to a vehicle's speed since the entire phrase is a mouthful. What if the speed of starships was rated in Parsecs per Second (or nanoseconds, or minutes, or whatever fits the speeds we see in Star Wars). Instead of everyone running around saying my ship can go "12 Parsecs per Second" or "12 PPS" it was later shortened, in smuggler's slang, to just "12 Parsecs" since everyone already knows they are talking about per second?

Seems iffy. Star Wars smugglers also deal in routes and distance. Making it part of the slang could lead to dangerous misinterpretation for those in the biz. It "ain't like dusting crops" after all.

(RW, I was assuming Orjo Creld was just trolling.)