I think in a fictional story spanning a galaxy whose details have evolved over the last 30+ years, and during such a time in our own personal history when the speed, volume, and ease of access of information has changed so dramatically, it stands to reason a certain element of continuity integrity would introduce itself. One is left with two options imo, to develop multi paragraph explanations to cover the aforementioned continuity contradictions, or to ally oneself with the 'fahgetta bout it" clan. Personally I'm in the latter.....

I think in a fictional story spanning a galaxy whose details have evolved over the last 30+ years, and during such a time in our own personal history when the speed, volume, and ease of access of information has changed so dramatically, it stands to reason a certain element of continuity integrity would introduce itself. One is left with two options imo, to develop multi paragraph explanations to cover the aforementioned continuity contradictions, or to ally oneself with the 'fahgetta bout it" clan. Personally I'm in the latter.....

Can't help myself I LOOOOOOVE a good debate!

I think in a fictional story spanning a galaxy whose details have evolved over the last 30+ years, and during such a time in our own personal history when the speed, volume, and ease of access of information has changed so dramatically, it stands to reason a certain element of continuity integrity would introduce itself. One is left with two options imo, to develop multi paragraph explanations to cover the aforementioned continuity contradictions, or to ally oneself with the 'fahgetta bout it" clan. Personally I'm in the latter.....

Can't help myself I LOOOOOOVE a good debate!

Exactly. The bottom line to me is thus: show me where in the original trilogy we learn that the MOST of the galaxy has COMPLETELY forgotten the Jedi. The idea that the Jedi are so forgotten despite their amazing powers is an extrapolation of information with a heavy dose of assumption, which of course can go both ways.

I think in a fictional story spanning a galaxy whose details have evolved over the last 30+ years, and during such a time in our own personal history when the speed, volume, and ease of access of information has changed so dramatically, it stands to reason a certain element of continuity integrity would introduce itself. One is left with two options imo, to develop multi paragraph explanations to cover the aforementioned continuity contradictions, or to ally oneself with the 'fahgetta bout it" clan. Personally I'm in the latter.....

Can't help myself I LOOOOOOVE a good debate!

Exactly. The bottom line to me is thus: show me where in the original trilogy we learn that the MOST of the galaxy has COMPLETELY forgotten the Jedi. The idea that the Jedi are so forgotten despite their amazing powers is an extrapolation of information with a heavy dose of assumption, which of course can go both ways.

Ah, but now you are changing to focus of the debate! Col. Orange's initial post which spurred this debate (for me at least) says it is implied in the OT. If this was initially a debate about proof in the OT I would have gave up long ago. But I think a case can be made, as Col. Orange said, that the OT presents Jedi as if they were a myth. So from that, one has to wonder how an order that was once the defenders of peace throughout the Republic for 1000 years suddenly becomes relegated to myth and superstition? Which I feel we have done some great debating on in this thread about droid rights!

Just to throw in a comment.

Part of the issue is one simply of storytelling. EP IV, as the first movie ever had to have the "caveman." The idiot, the Fry, the bumbling buffoon that had never heard of anything. Why? Because that's how you establish the universe to the audience. You have one lone bumpkin walking around and pulling from the MGS1:Solid Snake Book of Dialogue and just repeating the last word everyone says in the form of a question.

The Jedi?

The Force?

The DARPA Chief?

It's not just Star Wars, any Sci-fi or fantasy movie has to do this to an extent.

Had George made EP I first (with Jar Jar depicted as just an overweight guy in a furry vest) it's very likely you'd have Anakin introduced in the first 5 minutes so Qui-gon could explain the entire universe to him step by step. EPIV would have just replaced Luke's caveman dialogue with "A Jedi? No my father was a navigator on a Spice Freighter, not a cultist that sacrificed puppies to the blood god and mailed his gift wrapped feces to random orphanages."

It's not just Star Wars, any Sci-fi or fantasy movie has to do this to an extent.

For some thirty years, that was 33% of a companion's job: To be captured by Daleks (so the Doctor has someone to rescue), to scream at every cliffhanger and go "What is it Doctor?" (so the story can Info dump for the viewers and so the Doctor can look brilliant).

For our 'Campaign Reboot' I've opted for a 2-1B surgical droid - now more self aware after the Knowledge (Xenology) software was uploaded and altered it's Medical Procedures Protocols....anyway, long story short, in the 'Original Campaign' my Pilot/Smuggler purchased a 'Walking Weapons Platform License' for the droid pc.....

... I'm waiting to see if another player in the current Reboot thinks to do this. I'm not bothered if they don't and the droid gets carted off for dismantling for Assault, Aggravated Assault, Actions Liable to Lead to Harm of Imperial Personnel, Unlicenced Surgical Droid etc etc

The 'Campaign Reboot' was our GM's idea, he felt the first campaign has gone off the rails - 150xp at least, PCs now put out to pasture, decent ship now, all hard points filled and he put it on hold, then gave us this 'Campaign Reboot' idea. So i went for a 'bog standard droid' and I'm not investing as much effort into this PC, it basically fills the niche of the troupe doctor. I went for a droid rather than a 'blood filled meat bag' for shiggles.. it's holdout blaster is permanently set to stun as an anesthetic sort of thing - we've already had some comic moments in Mos Shutta

I'm even going to remind the GM that no PC has a licence for my PC

EDIT: I just necro'd this thread... sorry or is the rebooted, coz it's about droids?

So last Friday I had my 12 year old niece out for dinner, and I was talking about my trip to drive Route 66 next week, that I was flying out on September 3rd and'll be gone for a week.

Me: "I just realized I'll be flying back home [adopts spooky voice] on September Eleventh!!! OooOOOoooooh!"

Her: *blank look*

Me: "9/11?"

Her: "What's that?"

Me: "New York? World Trade Center? Terrorists?"

Her: "Oh."

Now, I seem to recall that being a pretty big event, and I would have figured that even someone born two years after the date would have heard about it, even just in passing. I mean I've heard of JFK and that was six years before I was born. But no, it somehow flew under her radar - and she's pretty smart, and that was without a fascist government attempting to stamp out all records surrounding it.

So yeah, I could see the Jedi being regulated to the realm of myth and legend and hogwash in the span of two decades.

EDIT: I just necro'd this thread... sorry or is the rebooted, coz it's about droids?

No chance, mate! Just been hijacked back.

So yeah, I could see the Jedi being regulated to the realm of myth and legend and hogwash in the span of two decades.

Apologies!

*zombie droid noise*

Somebody should make a thread named "Droids Left?" I'd do it, but something tells me that people would complain.

Somebody should make a thread named "Droids Left?" I'd do it, but something tells me that people would complain.

Some droids left but there are still plenty of droids left.