Red wedding vs save

By shibypluu, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

hi!

a question came out on our meta and i could not find the answer on the forum, so i apologize if it was answered before;

Red wedding

first part of the plot says " When revealed,the opponent to your left chooses 1 Lord and 1 Lady character,if able."

so far, so good.

"Then,you must choose and kill 1 of those characters. The other claims 2 power."

i understand that if no character can be killed (like, for the power of blood) then, the power claiming doesnt happen. but what if both characters are chosen, and the character chosen to be killed gets saved (for example, with a duplicate)? does the other character still gets to claim the 2 power? or does the first character HAVE to die for that?

thanks in advanced

Edited by shibypluu

If both the Lord and the Lady "cannot be killed," neither of them can be chosen to die. If neither of them are ever chosen to die, you don't know which one is "the other" that is supposed to claim the power. That is why no one gets power if a Noble Lord and a Noble Lady are chosen by Red Wedding while Power of Blood is out.

So, you see? The reason the power-claim part of the effect fails in that situation is not because nothing died, but rather because you never figured out which character was "the other" that would get the power. The "claim 2" effect can't resolve because the character is never properly identified.

But if one of the two is chosen to die, you do know which one is "the other." That's all you need to know in order to successfully resolve the "claim 2" effect. The power claim is completely independent of whether or not the character chosen to die actually does die, so you can save it without affecting the power claim.

In short, the "claim 2" part of the effect is only dependent on successfully choosing a target for the kill effect, not on successfully resolving the kill effect.

its what i thought, thanks :)