Okay once again I seem to be having problems with some of the upgrade cards and the different wording used on them. This time it is recon specialist.

http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Recon_Specialist

On this site one of the guys says

" Doesn't this conflict with "A ship may not perform the same Action twice in a given round, even if one is free"?"

The answer to this being:

"No, this is an example of how wording is very important in the game.

It states thay when you Perform a Focus assign an additional token - assigning is not an Action.

What do you then do with this assigned token? As you will need to perform it to use it, which as the first guy said is against the rules?

What do you then do with this assigned token? As you will need to perform it to use it, which as the first guy said is against the rules?

The confusion here seems to be what is an action, you're only preforming the Focus action once, just a in game effect lets you get 2 tokens for that one action.

This is also covered on page 2 of the FAQ

Q: Can a ship have more than one focus or evade token assigned to it?

A: Yes. A ship cannot perform the focus or evade actions more than once during a round, but a game

effect (such as Garven Dreis’ pilot ability) may assign additional tokens to a ship.

Also Spending a token is not an action. If it were then things like the Recon Spec or Moldy Crow would be worthless, because they wouldn't really do anything, this seems to be a common misunderstanding. I've seen this brought up a number of times on rule forms.

The Focus action can only be used once per turn, you can't Focus more then once. But that is not the same thing as using a Focus Token. You can use as many tokens a turn as you have and have something to spend them on.

For example lets say you have a HWK-290 with Recon Spec, Blaster Turret and Moldy Crow. At one point you have 8 focus tokens, and you are attacked by 6 Tie Fighters.

In that one turn, you can spend 1 token to fire the blaster cannon, 1 token to change the [eye] results into hits, then use a focus token for each of the 6 tie fighter attacks to turn your defense [eye] rolls into evades.

He (or you) is confusing the terminology. A focus token is not an action. A focus action is one of the ways you gain a token. All RecSpec does is say that when you perform a focus action you can a bonus focus token. Spending the token is not an action.

So first off if the card said you could perform two actions (look at pilot Vader), it overrides the rules, straight off. Second, that's not what Recon Specialist does; you perform one Focus action and gain two Focus tokens, which is perfectly in line with not performing the same action twice. You haven't: one action, double the result of the action.

It's no different than if Garven or Kyle passed you a Focus token - you could still focus yourself and have a second Focus token from one of them, and only have performed the action once, even though you wind up with two (or more) tokens. And spending a token to modify a dice result isn't an action, just a method of dice modification.

Curses - interrupted mid-type and ninja'd!

Curses - interrupted mid-type and ninja'd!

*Strikes and fades back into the darkness...

For example lets say you have a HWK-290 with Recon Spec, Blaster Turret and Moldy Crow. At one point you have 8 focus tokens, and you are attacked by 6 Tie Fighters.

How is this possible? To have 8 focus tokens, that is? I was under the impression that at the end of the current round, any unused tokens (evade or focus) are removed from the ship(s) and returned to the stock. Is this incorrect?

For example lets say you have a HWK-290 with Recon Spec, Blaster Turret and Moldy Crow. At one point you have 8 focus tokens, and you are attacked by 6 Tie Fighters.

How is this possible? To have 8 focus tokens, that is? I was under the impression that at the end of the current round, any unused tokens (evade or focus) are removed from the ship(s) and returned to the stock. Is this incorrect?

The Moldy Crow Title upgrade let's you not discard Focus tokens at the end of the turn. That and the Recon Specialist can make for a pile of Focus on an HWK-290.

Jim

Aside from the Crow holding Focus tokens from turn to turn I believe it may be possible to get FIVE tokens on a single ship. You'd start with the Falcon carrying TWO Recon Specialists as each will give an extra token for a total of 3 with the action. At the start of combat Kyle could then give the Falcon another Focus and Garven could Focus and then hand that focus over to the Falcon as well.

Aside from the Crow holding Focus tokens from turn to turn I believe it may be possible to get FIVE tokens on a single ship. You'd start with the Falcon carrying TWO Recon Specialists as each will give an extra token for a total of 3 with the action. At the start of combat Kyle could then give the Falcon another Focus and Garven could Focus and then hand that focus over to the Falcon as well.

Sounds good to me. You can do that.

What do you then do with this assigned token? As you will need to perform it to use it, which as the first guy said is against the rules?

The confusion here seems to be what is an action, you're only preforming the Focus action once, just a in game effect lets you get 2 tokens for that one action.

This is also covered on page 2 of the FAQ

Q: Can a ship have more than one focus or evade token assigned to it?

A: Yes. A ship cannot perform the focus or evade actions more than once during a round, but a game

effect (such as Garven Dreis’ pilot ability) may assign additional tokens to a ship.

Also Spending a token is not an action. If it were then things like the Recon Spec or Moldy Crow would be worthless, because they wouldn't really do anything, this seems to be a common misunderstanding. I've seen this brought up a number of times on rule forms.

The Focus action can only be used once per turn, you can't Focus more then once. But that is not the same thing as using a Focus Token. You can use as many tokens a turn as you have and have something to spend them on.

For example lets say you have a HWK-290 with Recon Spec, Blaster Turret and Moldy Crow. At one point you have 8 focus tokens, and you are attacked by 6 Tie Fighters.

In that one turn, you can spend 1 token to fire the blaster cannon, 1 token to change the [eye] results into hits, then use a focus token for each of the 6 tie fighter attacks to turn your defense [eye] rolls into evades.

Hi again! Sorry not been on here for a while...That is the reply I needed and everyone seems to be in agreement.

Funnily enough I played a 200 point game yesterday with my friend with that exact HWK-290 setup (not with 8 tokens obviously)! Unfortunately a few newbie mistakes meant that I lost the ship without getting to use it much. Luckily it was the only one of my 6 ships to get destroyed!

I will have to show my mate the replies to this thread as he wasn't convinced with the use of two tokens in one round so we didn't do it (I still passed tokens around and kept them for the next round though).

Thanks to whoever pointed out that my new falcon can house two recon specialists, this could really work out well!

He (or you) is confusing the terminology. A focus token is not an action. A focus action is one of the ways you gain a token. All RecSpec does is say that when you perform a focus action you can a bonus focus token. Spending the token is not an action.

So first off if the card said you could perform two actions (look at pilot Vader), it overrides the rules, straight off. Second, that's not what Recon Specialist does; you perform one Focus action and gain two Focus tokens, which is perfectly in line with not performing the same action twice. You haven't: one action, double the result of the action.

It's no different than if Garven or Kyle passed you a Focus token - you could still focus yourself and have a second Focus token from one of them, and only have performed the action once, even though you wind up with two (or more) tokens. And spending a token to modify a dice result isn't an action, just a method of dice modification.

Curses - interrupted mid-type and ninja'd! ..

Thanks, think I am understanding the actions/token argument pretty well now