Is it a good idea to give psykers the psyker aptitude (via the package) ?

They could also get it in the AAT.

If the package grants it...wouldnt it be an too easy way to get cheap willpower advances mechanically ?

I know that the GM has to allow it and being a psyker has other consequences etc etc...

But still - mechanically, just getting this aptitude is easily worth the 300 XP for the psyker package.

I absolutely agree. Psyker should be AAT/Mystic only and not a free 8th Aptitude.

I think the bigger issue here is that psyker aptitude is link to willpower advance in the first place. It should not be necessary to be a psyker to have strong will.

Elite advances which fundamentally change the nature of characters really don't play nice with aptitudes. Maybe make it that you can swap one of your aptitudes for Psyker instead when you take the advance?

Or just gut the aptitude system entirely, and the system will be better for it. But I doubt that's going to be a popular idea.

I think just taking out the aptitude from the elite advance will do.

If a psyker wants the psyker aptitude, he needs to go for the AAT.

That severely hinders anyone who wants to play a psyker without going through the AAT though. It makes playing as an unsanctioned psyker a massive impediment because you'd struggle to afford your main advances. I don't think that's a particularly great idea.

Mh...what about giving it to the mystic as "Defence or Psyker" like AAT ?

If someone gets a AAT Msytic, he gets both Defence and Psyker

If someone gets either Mystic OR AAT, he has the chance to get Psyker

If someone has neither, he shouldnt get the psyker aptitude at all. He is an untrained witch who should be happy to stay alive.

And should enjoy the game much less because he's spending much more XP than everyone else, and crawling behind them power level wise as a result?

Mh...what about giving it to the mystic as "Defence or Psyker" like AAT ?

More like replace the Knowledge Aptitude of the Mystic with Psyker.

LOL.

- Psyker

- Crawling behind others

Pick one .

IMHO the Psyker Elite Advancement shouldn't be a simple power boost anyone can take with impunity.

A Psyker without the proper sanctioning (AAT) or focus/trainer (Mystic) shouldnt be as skilled and "aptituded" as one who had the proper education in the arts of the psychic powers.

If he is not a mystic, it means it is not his main focus in life. This should be reflected by the missing psyker aptitude.

I suppose I should step back from this argument, I think my issues here are less with this specific problem and more with how limiting the aptitudes system is in general.

Being unsanctioned psyker can very well be your main focused in life just like being a sanctioned one. And we should not be punishing character concepts that are differentiated for roleplay reasons (which is the case when comparing choice of player to play either a sanctioned or not sanctions psyker).

And I still don't get why only psykers should have high willpower. The psyker aptitude should only be relevant for psy powers and related skills/talents. It should not be included in general willpower related advances that have nothing to do with psy. Willpower advance cost should not be dependent on weather or not a person has psi abilities.

Being unsanctioned psyker can very well be your main focused in life just like being a sanctioned one. And we should not be punishing character concepts that are differentiated for roleplay reasons (which is the case when comparing choice of player to play either a sanctioned or not sanctions psyker).

And I still don't get why only psykers should have high willpower. The psyker aptitude should only be relevant for psy powers and related skills/talents. It should not be included in general willpower related advances that have nothing to do with psy. Willpower advance cost should not be dependent on weather or not a person has psi abilities.

IF you focus on being an unsanctioned Psyker, you should take the mystic role. Otherwise its not your focus.

A Psyker without the proper sanctioning (AAT) or..."

I was referring to that part of the Gaunts post. I guess I did not communicate that very clearly.

That said I agree that that for psy talents and powers we can limit cheaper cast to 'mystic" and similar if later published. But i still don't see why willpower itself should be cheaper to psykers only. You can't have a high willpower priest?

Tying it to "Leadership" might be a good buff for the Leadership aptitude...

Tying it to "Leadership" might be a good buff for the Leadership aptitude...

That would make sense since good leaders are the ones to bolster morale and rally troops in the face of impending doom. It also makes for a good second option where one doesn't have to be a psyker.

Good Leadership also is a sign of selfconfidence, and selfconfidence is for me a part of willpower.

I like leadership for willpower attribute. It makes sence

Leadership for willpower + 1 or 2 other Leadership talents and this aptitude should be perfectly fine.

That severely hinders anyone who wants to play a psyker without going through the AAT though. It makes playing as an unsanctioned psyker a massive impediment because you'd struggle to afford your main advances. I don't think that's a particularly great idea.

If you think about it though psy rating and powers don't use aptitudes so you actually only lose out on the support stuff for psyker like psynisciece and a few talents.

Tying it to "Leadership" might be a good buff for the Leadership aptitude...

I agree, put leadership in as aptitude for willpower.

Tying it to "Leadership" might be a good buff for the Leadership aptitude...

I agree, put leadership in as aptitude for willpower.

Or it could use a choice of either

Tying it to "Leadership" might be a good buff for the Leadership aptitude...

I agree, put leadership in as aptitude for willpower.

Or it could use a choice of either

That will work too.

I would keep "psyker" for psy stuff only. Willpower in general is not psy, so I wouldnt tie it to "psyker".

At the moment not a lot of 'psy stuff' is actually tied to the aptitude though. I'd call that bad design within the aptitude system, but it's still worth considering (and maybe changing).