Line of Sight questions

By Kilazar, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

General question.

Can you LOS through friendly spaces? Can you LOS through small monsters to large monsters? Can you LOS to a monster in the back rank of a group if monsters are occupying all spaces in front of it?

Second question with example

How does the following situation work. Air elemental has activated it's air action and can only be targeted by adjacent attacks. Leoric runs up and is adjacent to the front left corner of the Elemental. Can Leoric target the back right corner of the elemental with his blast attack so that he is not in his own blast radius? Or can he only target the part of the elemental he is adjacent too?

Third question.

Is that how blast works? If you hit a large monster you only "blast" from squares around the targeted square? Or is it every adjacent space of the large monster? The rules read to me like it would be only the adjacent spaces of the targeted space, not the targeted monster.

*edit*

Is there a quick Reference sheet for this game? The rule book has things all over the place, so it's annoying to look things up without a proper index. I searched and keep finding ones for the original descent.

Edited by Kilazar

Any figure blocks LOS, including the target.

Squares that share a corner are adjacent.

Blast is calculated from the targeted square, not the from the whole large monster.

There is a FAQ in the support section.

On boardgamegeek there is a thread "FFG sez" which groups all the answers given by FFG to rules questions (and it points to a wiki also hosted by BBG).

There are a lot of interesting files in the files section of BGG - I presume that some could answer your need of quick reference charts (even though the turn sequence given in the basic game do already provide some help.

Hope I helped.

Blast is calculated from the targeted square, not the from the whole large monster.

Ok that answers part of the "blast" question, but what about the fact that the Elemental was/is "in air form". If the wizard is adjacent to the elemental while it's in air form, can he target a NON adjacent part of the elemental with his ranged attack? Or does that go back to "all figures block line of site", the front part of the elemental is a blocked space, therefore prevents LOS to rear part of elemental?

Edited by Kilazar

The errata reads:

" Until the start of your next turn, this monster can only be affected by attacks from adjacent figures."

I think the hero can for the following reasons:
  • the hero is adjacent to the monster.
  • if he is standing adjacent to the monster his attack may affect the adjacent figure.
  • the errata says nothing about spaces occupied by the monsters not being able to be targeted unless your adjacent to that space.
  • even if your targeting the back of the large monster, you are still adjacent to the large monster
Edited by BentoSan

Can you LOS through friendly spaces? Can you LOS through small monsters to large monsters? Can you LOS to a monster in the back rank of a group if monsters are occupying all spaces in front of it?

No, no and no. All figures block LoS, friendly or enemy, big or small. You may not trace LoS through a space occupied by another figure, even if the space you're trying to target is also occupied by the same (large) monster.

How does the following situation work. Air elemental has activated it's air action and can only be targeted by adjacent attacks. Leoric runs up and is adjacent to the front left corner of the Elemental. Can Leoric target the back right corner of the elemental with his blast attack so that he is not in his own blast radius? Or can he only target the part of the elemental he is adjacent too?

No, he cannot target the back right space because the Elemental still blocks LoS in Air form. The errata'd ability says nothing about the elemental ceasing to block LoS, so the general rule stating that all figures block LoS still applies.

You can attack it because you're adjacent, but you must target a space you can see. Depending on exactly where adjacent to the front left corner Leoric is, he could be able to see up to 3 of the 4 spaces the Elemental occupies. Not including the back right space.

Is that how blast works? If you hit a large monster you only "blast" from squares around the targeted square? Or is it every adjacent space of the large monster? The rules read to me like it would be only the adjacent spaces of the targeted space, not the targeted monster.

Yes, this is precisely why attacks target spaces and not figures. The target space is still a single space, even if the monster occupies more than one. Large monsters only get affected by the attack once, even if they occupy multiple spaces within the blast.

Edited by Steve-O

The errata reads:

" Until the start of your next turn, this monster can only be affected by attacks from adjacent figures."

I think the hero can for the following reasons:
  • the hero is adjacent to the monster.
  • if he is standing adjacent to the monster his attack may affect the adjacent figure.
  • the errata says nothing about spaces occupied by the monsters not being able to be targeted unless your adjacent to that space.
  • even if your targeting the back of the large monster, you are still adjacent to the large monster

Actually the above only works if you are standing to the front right of the monster, attacking the back right of the monster. There would be LOS issues if your trying to shoot through to the other side of the monster. Sorry i did not read the original question too well being that it was christmas and i was half cut :D