Attacking two different ships

By Shawn Myers, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Okay, so what if you take a firespray 31 and upgrade it with title card slave 1, weapons engineer, cluster missiles, and proton torpedoes. Can I lock on to two ships, use cluster missiles to attack twice, then use my other target lock for proton torpedoes on a different ship? It's complicated, but I think it would be a good strategy if it is allowed.

Edited by Shawn Myers

No.

While Weapons Engineer may allow you an "extra" target lock there is nothing about it which would allow you an extra attack. The fact that you want to use two missile weapons changes nothing and if you could do it with ordnance then there is no reason you could not do with a ship's primary weapons, canons, or turrets. You don't even need to spend your TL for all ordnance so if what you are asking worked then you could make multiple attacks any time.

Note that Cluster Missiles don't allow you to attack twice in the general sense. They allow you to make the specific attack from the Cluster Missile card twice (ie 3 attack dice, range 1-2, only on the ship that you had discarded the target lock on).

Edited by dbmeboy

Cluster missiles says you can perform this attack twice, referring to cluster missiles. The rules say you can only attack once per round, so you can't use cluster missiles plus another attack.

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Edited by onebit

Actually onebit thats wrong while you cant use cluster missiles then Proton torpedos which is the what the original question was you can attack twice per round. The rules/faq is clear.

Q: If a ship using Cluster Missiles hits with the first attack, but then misses with the second attack, can he still use Gunner/ Luke Skywalker even though the first attack hit?

A: Yes. Each attack granted by Cluster Missiles is distinct, so either attack can trigger Gunner/Luke Skywalker

And yes with the Gunner you can swap targets.

yes, and that's so far the only way to make 2 attacks, using cluster and activate Gunner on the second attack. You will then have the first cluster attack and a primary weapon attack thanks to gunner if the second cluster attack missed.

Technically any time Gunner activates it can be against a different target. One way I frequently use it is to strip ships of focus/evades before my other ships open fire if I can't just focus down one big threat. This of course require the first shot miss but if I hit I win, if I miss I also win.

In the Cluster/Gunner scenario (which is hard to pull off) the only way you could attack, and hopefully hit, two different ships is with the following:

1st Cluster Attack hits, 2nd Cluster attack misses triggering Gunner, Gunner then fires ship's primary weapon at any target it can normally target.

A key here is that the Gunner can ONLY attack with the ship's primary weapon. Perhaps you shoot at the target with the other TL on it which is fine but you're still not shooting at it with a missile.

In the Cluster/Gunner scenario (which is hard to pull off) the only way you could attack, and hopefully hit, two different ships is with the following:

1st Cluster Attack hits, 2nd Cluster attack misses triggering Gunner, Gunner then fires ship's primary weapon at any target it can normally target.

A key here is that the Gunner can ONLY attack with the ship's primary weapon. Perhaps you shoot at the target with the other TL on it which is fine but you're still not shooting at it with a missile.

OK but this brings up the question, If you use gunner on another ship can you also spend a tl for rerolls? assuming you were able to tl two ships?

You mean if you were on the Falcon, and your two crew were a Gunner and a Weapons Engineer or whatever?
Yeah I would think so. Generate a target lock on two ships. Take a shot, use TL to modify it, he winds up somehow evading the shot. Use gunner, decide to attack target #2, on whom you have your second target lock. Roll attack, spend TL #2 to modify the result. Don't see why not.

ok thanks wookie I just wanted to be sure i was understanding the rules in question. so would it work if you fired a cluster missle also with a gunner? or could your second cluster missle attack the second TL ship?

The two cluster missile attacks have to be at the same target. Period.

Now, say both cluster missiles missed - you could then use Gunner on a different target, and if you had a target lock on them, yes - you could use that to reroll any or all of the dice on that attack.

Or, you could miss the first cluster missile attack, then use Gunner and attack a different target, using the second target lock as mentioned, BUT (and this is a big but) the wording of Gunner states that you make no further attacks this turn. Meaning, if you fire cluster missile #1, miss, and use Gunner, regardless of the outcome of your gunner attack you now forfeit making a second cluster missile attack.

So you have to be really careful how you look at the interactions, because you can't do some of what you're asking; you can do some of what you're asking, but have to make sure you understand the limitations or qualifiers put on those acts as written in the rules.

So yes, you can use CM and Gunner in conjunction, but you have to be very careful about doing so, because your second cluster missile attack must be against the same target, and once you take a new attack with Gunner -against whatever target- you get no more attacks that round; not even the remaining cluster missile attack.

Perhaps this will help...

Cluster Missile = 1 Attack that you roll two sets of dice for. So focus, TL, target, ect... all are treated the same as a normal attack.

Gunner = Second distinct attack. Can be against a different target, TL, focus ect... all are treated as if this was a separate attack.

The only thing odd about CM is that either roll can trigger Gunner, if you score no hits. But you can only use Gunner once per round.

Edited by VanorDM

AND, once you do use Gunner you can make no more attacks that round.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but if you have a Focus token and fire a Cluster Missile you could only modify ONE of the Cluster attacks using the Focus. You spend the TL to fire the Cluster then after you throw down the first attack you could spend your Focus to modify those dice or you could wait until your second Cluster attack and spend the token then.

Cluster Missiles bring about some of the weirdest interaction in the game.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but if you have a Focus token and fire a Cluster Missile you could only modify ONE of the Cluster attacks using the Focus. You spend the TL to fire the Cluster then after you throw down the first attack you could spend your Focus to modify those dice or you could wait until your second Cluster attack and spend the token then.

Cluster Missiles bring about some of the weirdest interaction in the game.