OK, This is the scenario

-I fire on the enemy and use focus to turn some eyes into hits.

-The enemy uses Elusiveness to make me reroll one die.

-I roll another eye.

Q: is also the new eye turned into a hit?

A:

That sequence isn't possible. The defender gets the first chance to modify attack dice, then the attacker. That means that your opponent must use Elusiveness before you use your focus token (and that you must give them the chancel use it before using your focus token). If they do use it and the result is a [eyeball], then it would indeed be changed back to a hit when you spent your focus token.

Aha, now I found the rule as well:)

thanks

It's a point of confusion that comes up sometimes because it's laid out in the rules but not really emphasized.

There is a specific order on both attack and defense, though, to which side has their chance to modify each dice roll, and so far the abilities seem to be pretty well thought out as far as following those rules of interaction.

Also adding to the confusion is the fact that as of wave three there are only two effects that actually have the defender modifying the attacker's dice. Elusiveness and sensor jammer. As a result it becomes a somewhat obscure rule since it comes up so infrequently.

It was a very infrequent rule until Wave 2 and 3 brought out abilities that allowed the defender to modify the attack dice but the rules were in place before this, just they weren't used so everyone got used to rolling attack dice and the attacker would modify them only.

To be clear, the attacker rolls red dice, defender gets first shot at modifying them, then the attacker gets a chance. The reverse happens for defence dice. The defender rolls defence dice, the attacker gets to modify them, then the defender modifies them.

OK WOW!!!! i NEEDED to know that!!!! cause we have bbeen doing it wrong at my lgs!! I am so glad i read these rules questions posts! i learn alot this way. thanks guys. and by extension i do beleive that dice can only be modified once right? example I attack with 4 dice i roll eye,eye, hit, crit. elusiveness has me reroll the crit i roll eye. then i use focus i can only change two of they eyes to hits since the last eye was a modified die. This is how i interpret the rules if i am wrong let me know. thanks.

OK WOW!!!! i NEEDED to know that!!!! cause we have bbeen doing it wrong at my lgs!! I am so glad i read these rules questions posts! i learn alot this way. thanks guys. and by extension i do beleive that dice can only be modified once right? example I attack with 4 dice i roll eye,eye, hit, crit. elusiveness has me reroll the crit i roll eye. then i use focus i can only change two of they eyes to hits since the last eye was a modified die. This is how i interpret the rules if i am wrong let me know. thanks.

Not quite. A single die can be modified several times, but it can only be rerolled once. Let's take your scenario and flesh it out a bit.

Attacker uses four dice to attack. The unmodified rolls are:

Crit, Hit, Focus, Blank

The target has Elusiveness and Sensor Jammers. Sensor Jammer changes the Hit to a Focus. Elusiveness is used to force a reroll on the crit, resulting in a focus.

The current results then are:

Focus (Rerolled Crit), Focus (Sensor Jammer modified), Focus (Unmodified), Blank (unmodified)

Now that the defender is done modifying dice, the attacker gets to start. He has Target Lock. First, he spends Target Lock. He cannot reroll the first focus (since it has already been rerolled) or the second focus (since Sensor Jammer explicitly prohibits this), but could reroll the third Focus and the Blank. He rerolls these two dice and gets a Focus and a Crit. If he doesn't have focus, the result stands, leaving him with 1 Crit and 3 Focus results.

If he DID have focus, however, he could then change all three focuses into hits, leaving him with 3 Hits and 1 Crit.

It's a rare situation, but order of operations becomes important here.

yes the order of operations is very important in modifying the dice. I Thought the dice could only be modified once. but you are saying that once a die has been re rolled it cannot be re rolled again but can be further modified using abilities and actions. correct? so a die could be rolled, modified, then re rolled ( if not prevented by the modifing ability) and then ( I know it is very unlikely.) then modified again?

I think you would be hard-pressed to come up with a scenario where you would modify the dice and then reroll them - since most modifications (as opposed to re-rolls) have predictable results. For instance you would never roll the dice, spend a focus token to change a bunch of eyeballs to hits (or evades, as the case may be), then reroll the dice. If you can think of a specific game instance where that would actually make sense I'd be interested to hear it, but at least as a vague theory I think it's possible, sure.

What's really fun is to try and get your head around this: a reroll, as defined by the game, is not a "roll," per se, but a modification of the dice. You're only allowed to re-roll a given die result once, but can modify it (OTHER than re-rolling) multiple times.

Look at an APT. You might fire, roll a bunch of blanks. Say you have Jonus or someone handy, and are allowed to reroll a couple of the dice (modification 1), and they come up blanks AGAIN. You could then use the torpedo ability to change those blanks into eyeballs (modification 2), then spend a focus token and change the eyeballs all into hits (modification 3). There are probably ways to modify that same dice pool MORE times in a single attack, but I'm too tired to come up with more.

i think that is what had me thinking i could only modify each die once, since a re-roll is defined as a modification and not a re-roll. therefore, In My head the logic seemed to be, you can only modify the die once. whether it is a re roll or other modification. I do see your point though.i can modify dice as much as i want as long as i only re-roll each die only once per modificaton on that die or dice.

i think that is what had me thinking i could only modify each die once, since a re-roll is defined as a modification and not a re-roll. therefore, In My head the logic seemed to be, you can only modify the die once. whether it is a re roll or other modification. I do see your point though.i can modify dice as much as i want as long as i only re-roll each die only once per modificaton on that die or dice.