Ok so say player A beats player B first game. Player A is swapping his character for one from his sideboard. Since Player B lost the first game, he gets to decide wether he would like to play 1st or 2nd. Does he make his decision before the he sees that his opponent swapped his character?

I think you place your deck and starting character in your staging area, THEN the player announces his decision to play first or second (which means he would see the character swap) but i just want to make sure.

Thanks

the game starts after a "sideboarding" period between the matches. if i could look at the pdf tournament rules id put in a quote, but the start of a game begins with taking your starting character out of your deck

so this means the decision to go first is before the characters are revealed?

From 101 Starting the game:

101.1 At the start of the game each player looks through their deck and selects a character card placing it face down in front of them. Once both players have selected a character the selected cards are turned face up so that they are revealed to a player’s opponent. Both players then shuffle their deck so that the cards are in a random order. Then players may cut or shuffle their opponent’s deck.

101.2 After both players have shuffled, use a random method to determine who will get to decide which player will take the first turn. Roll a die; flip a coin, any random method both players agree on. The player who wins the choice then decides whether they wish to go first or second. In a series of games the loser of the previous game gets to decide which player will take the first turn. The player that is going to take the first turn then commits their character card. Then both players draw cards equal to their character’s printed hand size for their starting hand.

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So yes, you reveal characters (even in later rounds) before choosing who goes first.

While reading through this I realized that I did not understand about the character cards. So my statement/question is this:

If I have two of the same character in my deck but they are different versions, in a subsequent round or match I can put a different character out as my main character?

You must start each round of the tournament with the same VERSION of your starting character even if you have another version in your deck. Between games during a round you may change to a different version, but you must always start with the same card.

Stamps for people! Characters are revealed before determining who goes first.

Baranor said:

Where does it say this in the rules?

you must start the first game of each match with your listed deck, meaning the starting character is the same

Ziephnir said:

I asked where that was in the rules, You didn't give me where. I want a quotation from an official doccument as well as a link. As far as what I have read, there is nothing stopping you from changing characters game 1 from one match to another. Instead of making a guess as to what you think the rules are, back it up with evidence. I don't care if you made the game, I want to see quotation from an official document.

The rules say nothing about starting character being on a decklist at all.

100.3.1 Constructed play: In a constructed tournament players are expected to provide a deck of at least
sixty cards including no more than four copies of any one card and at least one character card. Players may
bring an eight-card sideboard. A player may not have more than four copies of any one card across their
deck and sideboard combined and if a player plays with a sideboard they must have eight cards in it.

101.1 At the start of the game each player looks through their deck and selects a character card placing it face down
in front of them. Once both players have selected a character the selected cards are turned face up so that they are
revealed to a player’s opponent. Both players then shuffle their deck so that the cards are in a random order. Then
players may cut or shuffle their opponent’s deck.

101.4 In a series of constructed games where sideboards are being used players may trade cards between their sideboard
and deck on a one for one basis before they look through their deck to choose their character in second and
subsequent games of the series. After a player has traded cards their deck must have the same number of cards in it
as it did before the player started trading in side board cards and there must be eight cards in the player’s sideboard.
A player’s deck and sideboard must be reset to their original configuration going into the first game of each round.

the decklist signup sheet thats used for any major tournament makes you specify which character you start with

Kyle Edwards said:

I think you have to combine the [in a constructed tournament players are expected to provide a deck of at least
sixty cards including no more than four copies of any one card and at least one character card .] and the part where it says [A player’s deck and sideboard must be reset to their original configuration going into the first game of each round .] Keyword here being original configuration.

Hayamachop said:

However, what if you have 2 characters in you main deck?

Ziephnir said:

If so, it should be stated in the rules. That is my real complaint, FFG needs to make everything clear.

I only hope this is covered under the April Rules Update.

Stop attacking FFG for the current rule sheet.

FFG did not write the current tournament rules.

dude. It says ORIGIONAL thats should be enough. Where was your 2nd character? In your deck? In your side board? Thats where it goes. Where was your first character? It was your starting character and thats where it goes when you play against a new opponenet. Please stop being so stubborn about it.

*stamp* for Hayamachop

Doozee said:

Doooze

Thanks for the assist, but you're not an official rules arbiter, and some of your answers lately have been suspect. (See: Bitter Rivals) Please avoid stamping responses just incase you're stamping the wrong answer.

However in this instance I concur on your stamp.

or to speak in lolcat:

Original text is original

Sorry - won 't happen again.

Doozee said:

*STAMP*

sorry couldn't resist. I'll go sit in the corner and be good now.

Hayamachop said:

How does this paragraph make any sense. you are only confusing others. There is no where in the rules that even support what you are saying.

When you say "Thats where it goes." Are you answering the first question regarding deck, or the second regarding the sideboard? There is nothing stopping you from having 60 character cards main deck and 8 in the sideboard.

It goes wherever you put it.

It was your starting character and thats where it goes when you play against a new opponenet. <----- This is not supported by the rules.

Yes, it is FFG's responsibility for maintaining the rules wether or not they made them. They are supposed to change them soon. However no one will take this game seriously if everything is not covered the rules. When it come to tournament rules, you cannot do it halfway.

Antigoth, how can you consiously stamp this being a rules arbiter, it dosn't have a cohesive conclusion?

Being stubborn about it is how this game is going to mature.

100.5.1 [snip] When a player registers for the event they must declare what character they are playing and must start with that character in their first game of every round. [snip].

No stamp needed, it's the rules.

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Actually, on further reflection, the Kyle has a point, as technically the above only applies to tournaments where diversity is in effect. TBH it may be a moot point when the new TR come out (supposedly today, but FFG will probably be late, as always). I think people have just assumed (since major tournaments almost always use diversity) that starting w/ the same character in the first round was a requirement. I know I did. I think I've been doing it wrong.

aslum said:

The document is currently with the Graphics department. I've been told we'll see it by Friday.

Also you're over thinking it. Your character as you submitted it on your deck list, including which character is your starting character is how you are to start the first game of each match.

If deck lists are not used, then the character you started the first game of the first match is the character you must start all remaining matches with.

The rules document that is being released will not touch base on this, because it is the advanced game rules, expanding and covering all concepts of playing a game of UFS, not playing a tournament game of UFS.

I do not currently have an ETA on when the revised floor rules will see print.