Moribund Questions

By HastAttack, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

A few questions related to moribund

a) Do attachments get detached and therefore are not a factor within moribund?

Examples inlcude characters with Milk of the Poppy attached (do their text remain blank) and Khal Drago, if he is killed with a stenght modifier attached

After Khal Drogo is killed, search your deck for X Dothraki characters, reveal them, and put them into your hand. Then shuffle your deck. X is Khal Drogo's STR.

b) Can a characters text box be blanked when it is in moribund

A example would be someone killed when they had Milk of the Poppy attached but I am also thinking of other affects such as the plot card Fortified Position

Treat all characters in play as though their printed text boxes were blank (except for Traits). Limit 1 per plot deck.

(Maybe the card is no longer "in play" when it is in moribund ... though I beleive it is)

c) Can moribund cards affect cards in play

Here I am thinking of something like Campfire Mime

Campfire Mime gains the traits of all other characters you control.

If I had i.e. one Night Watch character in play and he gets killed, do my Campfire Mimes still retain Night Watch trait whilst the actual Night Watch character is in moribund

Would I be able to trigger i.e. Longclaws text and attach it to one of my Campfire Mimes?

After attached character leaves play, you may attach Longclaw to a Night's Watch character instead of placing it in your discard pile.

A) The attachments are passively made moribund: discard in step 4, but are still "attached" until the resolution of the action window (step 6). So yes, Milk of the Poppy still affects your Khal Drogo.

B) Yes. Moribund cards are still in play, they are ONLY left play/entered out of play area for the purposes of triggering passives and responses to that.

C) Once again, yes. Moribund cards are still in play, so your Campfire mime keeps his night's watch trait till step 6 of the action window (resolution). Given that Longclaw's replacement effet occurs in step 4, it's perfectly legal to move it to the Mime.

Edited by -Istaril

Thanks Istaril ... interesting, we thought the answers would be no ...

So it is possible to blank the text of new Coldhands prior to removing him from play ... would that affect the normal actions?

I'm guessing probably not as Coldhands has a response which I assume sets up a passive effect which occurs whether his text is subsequently blanked or not

Response: After you play Coldhands from your hand, choose 1 non-Army character controlled by each player, if able,and remove those characters from the game. When Coldhands leaves play, return the removed cards to play under their owners' control.

I'm guessing probably not as Coldhands has a response which I assume sets up a passive effect which occurs whether his text is subsequently blanked or not

It's basically this, although the technical term here is "lasting effect". The resolution of Coldhands' Response creates a lasting effect which will resolve passively when its play restrictions are met (i.e. when Coldhands leaves play).

It's basically this, although the technical term here is "lasting effect".

Terminology gets weird. It's a lasting effect that initiates passively, as opposed to a lasting effect that works continuously.

I know we've mentioned it before, but it's always worth repeating because "moribund" often comes off as being more significant than it really is:

- Moribund is a very temporary state, lasting only as long as passives and Responses to whatever kicked that card from play.

- Moribund is a transitional state. They resemble cards that have already left play in that; 1) Passives and Responses initiated when the card leaves play initiate; 2) Passives and Responses initiated by (or depending on) the card being physically placed in an out-of-play area initiate; and 3) They cannot be removed from play a second time (for any reason). For all other purposes (lasting effects, card counts - such as "at your command" or the number of cards in Shadows, physically manipulating an out-of-play area, etc.), they are still "in play" until they are physically removed.