Help, totally forgot

I play red wedding in the plot phase

There is 1 lord and 1 lady in play , both noble. The plot power of Blood is played and these cannot be killed

My understanding is that i can choose both lady and lord as targets. I cannot kill the chosen target ( because of power of blood ) but i believe the other character would still claim 2 power , is this correct ?

No that is not correct. Unless something has changed with the way this plot works, the power claim is dependent on the kill effect being possible on one of the targeted Lords or Ladies.

No that is not correct. Unless something has changed with the way this plot works, the power claim is dependent on the kill effect being possible on one of the targeted Lords or Ladies.

Thanks for this Bomb, further to this why is this different mechanically from frozen outpost et al when you dont necessarily satisfy the part of standing but still take the +2 STR ?

I have no doubt you are right but just trying to get my head around the differences.

Thanks in advance

No that is not correct. Unless something has changed with the way this plot works, the power claim is dependent on the kill effect being possible on one of the targeted Lords or Ladies.

Thanks for this Bomb, further to this why is this different mechanically from frozen outpost et al when you dont necessarily satisfy the part of standing but still take the +2 STR ?

I have no doubt you are right but just trying to get my head around the differences.

Thanks in advance

Because the rules state that you cannot choose a character as the target for a kill effect if it cannot be killed. This plot says "choose 1 lord and 1 lady character.". They will be legal targets for this choice. Following this, the player to the right must then make a choice for which one will be the targeted kill effect. If any of these Lords and Ladies cannot be killed, then those characters won't be eligible targets for the kill effect.

Since in your scenario you cannot choose a character to kill, the effect fizzles because the power claim says "the other claims 2 power". Well, there won't be "the other" if you cannot choose that Lord or that Lady to be killed, so that power claim has no basis for which character "the other" is.

Does that make sense?

Yes perfect sense, all very clear, one final point :

Is it specifically kill effects that you cant target somebody for when they can't be killed ?

Here is the entry in the FAQ for "cannot":

Here is the relevant entry about targeting Moribund cards with leaves play effects:

I won't quote the immunity section, but as we all know, a card that is immune to a card effect cannot be targeted for that effect either. "Targets" are identified by the word "choose" in a card effects text.

I think I covered it all...

Excellent. Just about to start a game and wanted to double check things.

I appreciate the help and speed of the answers.

Now onto the game .........

Keep in mind that with Red Wedding, it isn't that the kill must be successful in order for the "other" to claim power (you can always save, for example), but you must be able to successfully choose one of them to be killed in order for there to be an "other" to claim power.

The situation you describe - where both the Lord and the Lady "cannot be killed" - is about the only one where power won't be awarded. (If only one of the two characters "cannot be killed," the other would have to be chosen to die.)

Help, totally forgot

I play red wedding in the plot phase

There is 1 lord and 1 lady in play , both noble. The plot power of Blood is played and these cannot be killed

My understanding is that i can choose both lady and lord as targets. I cannot kill the chosen target ( because of power of blood ) but i believe the other character would still claim 2 power , is this correct ?

Quick question, are you the player to the left or the player who played the Red Wedding? I assume you're the player to the left.

Can we get a discussion around the fact that this is two separate effects, one which must resolve and one which can not resolve?

Here's my thought:

You actually can and must choose both the Lord and Lady as the targets. This is the entirety of the first effect.

"When revealed,the opponent to your left chooses 1 Lord and 1 Lady character,if able. Then,you must choose and kill 1 of those characters. The other claims 2 power."

It's the second part of the effect where it all falls apart.

It doesn't have any practical application at the moment, but you actually do have to choose them and satisfy the first part if you are able to.

Yeah, the original question seemed to assume there was only one Lord and one Lady in play, so the first part of the effect (choosing the "wedding couple" as it were) was kind of a wash.

When this plot is revealed, a single Lord and a single Lady must be chosen by the player to the left. But they are chosen at this point for nothing more than "passing" to the next part of the effect. So there is no consideration in their choosing other than the traits. If there were, for example, NON- Noble Lords or Ladies out (with this and Power of Blood), the player to the left is not forced to choose at least on character that could be killed by the second part of the effect.

Okay, cool. I just wanted to make sure that it worked that way. I figure it'll come up again in the future and just wanted to make sure that first sentence and the subsequent "Then" weren't considered a part of the initiation of the kill/power part.