Force usage limitations?

By bboi018, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

The "fatigue" aspect can be covered by a Force-user spending Strain to convert a Dark Side pip to a Light Side pip in this system, since Strain covers both mental and physical "exhaustion" rather than being purely mental.

The only reason "fatigue" really exists is due to ESB when Yoda exhales, looking tired after he floated Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp. In just about every Star Wars RPG, there's no mechanical reason why a Jedi Master would be "fatigued" after doing such a thing. Personally, I viewed Yoda's reaction in that scene as being more exasperation with Luke's "that's impossible" complaints and that he needed a big display of power to break through Luke's preconceived notions.

There are plenty of other examples. For one thing Luke is huffing and puffing in that very scene, and for another extended media outside the film often depicts Jedi as quite tired after they've been concentrating on a given power for a long time.

The "fatigue" aspect can be covered by a Force-user spending Strain to convert a Dark Side pip to a Light Side pip in this system, since Strain covers both mental and physical "exhaustion" rather than being purely mental.

The only reason "fatigue" really exists is due to ESB when Yoda exhales, looking tired after he floated Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp. In just about every Star Wars RPG, there's no mechanical reason why a Jedi Master would be "fatigued" after doing such a thing. Personally, I viewed Yoda's reaction in that scene as being more exasperation with Luke's "that's impossible" complaints and that he needed a big display of power to break through Luke's preconceived notions.

There are plenty of other examples. For one thing Luke is huffing and puffing in that very scene, and for another extended media outside the film often depicts Jedi as quite tired after they've been concentrating on a given power for a long time.

Luke was also doing some pretty impressive physical routines that an professional athlete would be envious of completing. If I recall correctly, he jogs with Yoda on his back for a long distance performing front-flips without breaking stride... over swamps... filled with man eating monsters... He's also standing on his head while trying to keep rocks floating with the Force. I guess that 'trains' control over the Force, while blocking out all distractions, but even without force usage, doing what he did was impressive physically...

Edited by MosesofWar

I expect that there won't be any talent that allows Jedi to convert dark side points into light side. I'm sure the ability will be available just as it is now but instead of costing a destney point I expect that it will cause a deduction in the obligation/duty equivalent for F&D.

At three force dice the chance of getting enough light side to activate a power is pretty good, this also keeps the temptation of the dark side to solve your problems. I can see a talent that lets you forego rolling a number of force die per rank, and strain equal to the number of ranks used, to get an automatic light side point.

In the end you work for the Force young Jedi, the Force does not work for you. :)

The "fatigue" aspect can be covered by a Force-user spending Strain to convert a Dark Side pip to a Light Side pip in this system, since Strain covers both mental and physical "exhaustion" rather than being purely mental.

The only reason "fatigue" really exists is due to ESB when Yoda exhales, looking tired after he floated Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp. In just about every Star Wars RPG, there's no mechanical reason why a Jedi Master would be "fatigued" after doing such a thing. Personally, I viewed Yoda's reaction in that scene as being more exasperation with Luke's "that's impossible" complaints and that he needed a big display of power to break through Luke's preconceived notions.

There are plenty of other examples. For one thing Luke is huffing and puffing in that very scene, and for another extended media outside the film often depicts Jedi as quite tired after they've been concentrating on a given power for a long time.

As was noted, Luke has been doing a lot of strenuous physical activity; fitting as he was being put through the Jedi equivalent of boot camp. And the "extended media" all took their cues from the scene I mentioned above, due in large part to having come after the Original Trilogy was released and a few authors figuring "well, we need some way to keep Luke from dominating the plot with his psuedo-mystical powers..." WEG didn't have a "fatigue factor" for Force-users, and that system predated the bulk of the EU as well. OCR/RCR only had the "fatigue factor" as a means of game balance (how well it worked varies upon who and where you ask).

On the "been concentrating on a given power for a long time," going by the films (where such displays of power are less common) it's much the same as if a regular person had been focused intently on a project, and then stepped back without something immediately pressing grabbing their attention. There's a few brief moments of what amounts to recalibrating one's awareness, which isn't so much a case of lasting fatigue but more taking those few moments to acknowledge and access the various sensory input that you've been ignoring while focusing that particular task.

The "fatigue" aspect can be covered by a Force-user spending Strain to convert a Dark Side pip to a Light Side pip in this system, since Strain covers both mental and physical "exhaustion" rather than being purely mental.

The only reason "fatigue" really exists is due to ESB when Yoda exhales, looking tired after he floated Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp. In just about every Star Wars RPG, there's no mechanical reason why a Jedi Master would be "fatigued" after doing such a thing. Personally, I viewed Yoda's reaction in that scene as being more exasperation with Luke's "that's impossible" complaints and that he needed a big display of power to break through Luke's preconceived notions.

There are plenty of other examples. For one thing Luke is huffing and puffing in that very scene, and for another extended media outside the film often depicts Jedi as quite tired after they've been concentrating on a given power for a long time.

As was noted, Luke has been doing a lot of strenuous physical activity; fitting as he was being put through the Jedi equivalent of boot camp. And the "extended media" all took their cues from the scene I mentioned above, due in large part to having come after the Original Trilogy was released and a few authors figuring "well, we need some way to keep Luke from dominating the plot with his psuedo-mystical powers..." WEG didn't have a "fatigue factor" for Force-users, and that system predated the bulk of the EU as well. OCR/RCR only had the "fatigue factor" as a means of game balance (how well it worked varies upon who and where you ask).

On the "been concentrating on a given power for a long time," going by the films (where such displays of power are less common) it's much the same as if a regular person had been focused intently on a project, and then stepped back without something immediately pressing grabbing their attention. There's a few brief moments of what amounts to recalibrating one's awareness, which isn't so much a case of lasting fatigue but more taking those few moments to acknowledge and access the various sensory input that you've been ignoring while focusing that particular task.

Agreed. I like this system for that very reason; fatigue is possible in the form of strain if you roll some Threats on a Discipline check, but it's not part of the "cost" of using the Force. Exceeding your strain threshold in so doing doesn't necessarily mean you pass out, either; it could also mean that you've grown frustrated and need a break. That's pretty consistent with the films and the Clone Wars TV show especially, and those are what trump everything else canon-wise.

Edited by JonahHex