"My kroot has a cat named mittens"

And what's wrong with that, I ask?

And what's wrong with a Void Master who wants a pet nurgling, mista Traejun? : D

"My kroot has a cat named mittens"

And what's wrong with that, I ask?

Stop playing with the food.

Grendel.

Grendel.

Grendel!

Goddammit Grendel.

My Kroot IS a cat named Mittens!!

The thing with Rogue Trader as a setting is... it really is completely bugf$%k crazy. Look back at the insanity of the original RT books, that's the setting I tend to aim for because to me, while being plenty GrimDark-ey it's also hilariously fun. Back when Ultramaar was a dirtball whose prime export was space shrimp.

Also this.

http://i.somethingawful.com/u/elpintogrande/october09/roguetrader/roguetrader_07.gif

Juuuuuuust sayin.

Didn't someone have a Kroot named Skeletor? I thought that was awesome. Would of loved to of GMed that game and had an adversary named Cpt Keldor with a Cruiser called "The Staff of Havoc".

Wait. Was this OP about SM"s or PCs thinking outside the box?

I'm pretty sure the OP was just a forum grenade that we all selflessley threw ourselves upon.

My Kroot IS a cat named Mittens!!

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If you eat enough cats named Mittens, that's more likely than you'd think.

I now want to play a DW campaign where we purge LordBlades ship. For the good of the Imperium of course.

I will join this purge, from a DH campaign.. that ship is Heretical… So says Al the Emperor's Scalpel from Dusk.

Moritat Reaper, fully convinced that he talks to the God Emperor, what can go wrong here

hey my moritat speaks to the emperor as well, interpreted himself picking up the Wyrd mutation as a gift from him, the GM randomly rolled the power, and i ended up with torch, he saw it as being a gift from him. we were doing the adventure in the core rules, so the nights were pitch black, he saw this as it being a beacon of light in the darkness. He now also has a slight fetish for ingesting blood, which fits in nicely with his thoughts on being a moritat, as he is absorbing some of their life in homage to the emperor. and i'll never try to lower my insanity rating because he's in the mindset that madness is a blessing (a random roll from pc generation)

OK, I feel the need to throw something into the ring here, I'm actually the DM for the guy who started this thread.

He plays a Space Marine in my Rogue Trader Game, the rest of the Players are Rank 6 RT characters, and he has roughly the same amount of XP.

He comes from what is essentially a "Dead Chapter", -this is his reason for being on the ship.

All in all, he's not that unbalancing, though he can deal more damage than anyone in melee, and has about 6 more a+t, this is not much of an issue; as most of the combat is ship to ship. All of his stats are @50ish, so quite strong all round, -the rest of the crew are much more min-maxed, however, eg: the void master has a BS of over 70.

I picture your SM player cackling madly as he surveys the chaos and destruction he has caused here.

OK, I feel the need to throw something into the ring here, I'm actually the DM for the guy who started this thread.

He plays a Space Marine in my Rogue Trader Game, the rest of the Players are Rank 6 RT characters, and he has roughly the same amount of XP.

He comes from what is essentially a "Dead Chapter", -this is his reason for being on the ship.

All in all, he's not that unbalancing, though he can deal more damage than anyone in melee, and has about 6 more a+t, this is not much of an issue; as most of the combat is ship to ship. All of his stats are @50ish, so quite strong all round, -the rest of the crew are much more min-maxed, however, eg: the void master has a BS of over 70.

Just curious, is there anyone else optimized for melee apart from the marine?

Space marines can be scary in melee, esp at low ranks (you can have a rank 1 Space Wolf Assault Marine with Swift Attack, Lightning Attack, Counter Attack and Two-weapon wielder (melee) ). But as a rather funny side note, they don't really do that better than RT chars. An Ork Freebooter can get the same Unnatural Str. and Toughness (and Mega Armor from DH if allowed for +30 str., which probably should be allowed in a RT/DW game since you can find it with same stats in DW Mark of the Xenos, just not explicitly), gets one more attack eventually due to WAAAGH! talent and Power Klaws are marginally better than post -errata Power Fists. Weirdboys with Force Power Klaws also rock in melee.

We're using the updated rules from black crusade / only war where unwieldy and unbalanced weapons cannot be used to make SA/LA actions.

He's a Black Crusade Space Marine, (essentially his chapter was destroyed by excommunication), so not as powerful as a DW SM.

Orks are good, IMO the main drawback with them is that they're orks.

Captain Haarlock, (another player) is optimised for melee, with a crazy WS and Archeotech Power Sword, Though the Navigator is arguably the most powerful member with her instant-kill attacks.

I see. I'm not at all familiar with BC/OW rules

About orks being orks, that's also one if their main advantages.A space marine might have second thoughts for example when asked to toss an inquisitor out of an airlock.

You've made me curious with the navigator. My experirnce has been quite different. I used to set up around obstacles to only hit enemies with Lidless Stare, but since it's been errata-ed to full action I'm having trouble how it could be set-up effectively to not hit allies. So, how does he do it?

I don't know if I'm wildly misinterpreting the rules, but the guys just position themselves where they couldn't see the navigator, such as behind a curtain or around a corridor, before she takes her turn. The rule says that it's about not meeting a navigator's gaze.

She has 55T, physical perfection 3, subskin armour, and power armour, so she can tank quite a bit of damage unsupported.

You have a BC Space Marine on your ship, does this mean he follows the ruinous powers or just that you are using those rules?

It would be interesting to have an infiltrator amongst your ranks and strangly enough BC Space Marines would probably fit in better than DW ones (assuming no out there mutations or Khorne Berserker tendancies.....).

You've made me curious with the navigator. My experirnce has been quite different. I used to set up around obstacles to only hit enemies with Lidless Stare, but since it's been errata-ed to full action I'm having trouble how it could be set-up effectively to not hit allies. So, how does he do it?

That's more an RP set up sort of thing. Navi uses free action to say a code word - everyone else needs to announce that they look away. If that makes it so they're not looking at their target, then they receive the appropriate penalties to actions.

OK, I feel the need to throw something into the ring here, I'm actually the DM for the guy who started this thread.

He plays a Space Marine in my Rogue Trader Game, the rest of the Players are Rank 6 RT characters, and he has roughly the same amount of XP.

He comes from what is essentially a "Dead Chapter", -this is his reason for being on the ship.

All in all, he's not that unbalancing, though he can deal more damage than anyone in melee, and has about 6 more a+t, this is not much of an issue; as most of the combat is ship to ship. All of his stats are @50ish, so quite strong all round, -the rest of the crew are much more min-maxed, however, eg: the void master has a BS of over 70.

The dead chapter idea is the ONLY way this makes sense to me. That said, does he have some kind of agenda for having shacked up with the RT on a "permanent" basis? A good reason? Something that being with the RT can actually help him accomplish?

And why in the world would the RT want to keep someone around that can essentially one-shot him if he does something that offends the SM's delicate sensibilities? Has that even been discussed?

Disclaimer: Still think its a terrible idea.

That's more an RP set up sort of thing. Navi uses free action to say a code word - everyone else needs to announce that they look away. If that makes it so they're not looking at their target, then they receive the appropriate penalties to actions.

Did you houserule looking away to more than +30 to the opposed test?

I though about doing the same, but it still seemed too risky. With around 60 WP, +20 (power upgraded twice)+10(renegade house) it still seemed very risky to roll against a char with 'normal' WP (30-40), even with +20 bonus (+30 from looking away, -10 from renegade house).

Given that the Lidless Stare is kind of an eye-contact based thing (though not completely) it makes little sense that looking away requires a roll at all. So yeah, its a house rule because making people roll is often not compelling gameplay.

He's turned away from the Imperium, and so is a BC character; it makes it fairly clear in BC that a lot of starting "Heretics" are sure of the nobility of their goals.

His character dynamic is sort of a struggle to avoid corruption and taint.

His crazy dream is to rebuild his chapter, and has thrown his lot in with Captain Haarlock as a result.

He's turned away from the Imperium, and so is a BC character; it makes it fairly clear in BC that a lot of starting "Heretics" are sure of the nobility of their goals.

His character dynamic is sort of a struggle to avoid corruption and taint.

His crazy dream is to rebuild his chapter, and has thrown his lot in with Captain Haarlock as a result.

So his chapter is dead? Was it destroyed or more like excommunicate traitoris

If played properly and with the right justification almost anything can work in the 40k universe. I can think of a few reasons a lone Space Marine might be tooling around with a Rogue Trader, and being from a dead Chapter while harboring a dream of rebuilding it seems appropriately over the top to me.

If played properly and with the right justification almost anything can work in the 40k universe. I can think of a few reasons a lone Space Marine might be tooling around with a Rogue Trader, and being from a dead Chapter while harboring a dream of rebuilding it seems appropriately over the top to me.

While having a space marine aboard certainly meets the requisite "over the top" aspect of Rogue Trader and 40K, in general, how would that space marine deal with the other core concepts of Rogue Trader - like dealing with xenos and their technology? Not well, I would imagine, whether he's from a disgraced/dead chapter or not. Sure, not all crews are into that sort of thing, but most tend to be.

While I think all agree that creativity and pushing the envelope a bit is part in parcel with the game, having a space marine around would close more doors than it would open.

If played properly and with the right justification almost anything can work in the 40k universe. I can think of a few reasons a lone Space Marine might be tooling around with a Rogue Trader, and being from a dead Chapter while harboring a dream of rebuilding it seems appropriately over the top to me.

While having a space marine aboard certainly meets the requisite "over the top" aspect of Rogue Trader and 40K, in general, how would that space marine deal with the other core concepts of Rogue Trader - like dealing with xenos and their technology? Not well, I would imagine, whether he's from a disgraced/dead chapter or not. Sure, not all crews are into that sort of thing, but most tend to be.

While I think all agree that creativity and pushing the envelope a bit is part in parcel with the game, having a space marine around would close more doors than it would open.

How is keeping a space marine out of the loop while dealing with xenos in any significant way harder than keeping a (most likely unsanctioned) xeno out of sight while dealing with Imperial authorities/inquisition?

Also, it's not a given most space marines buy into xenotech=heresy mantra of the AdMech. As I'm trying to start a discussion on the subject in the Deathwatch forum, a group that largely doesn't consider the Emperor a god, might very well call bull on the whole Machine God stuff.