Dunland has always been my favorite "evil" faction in Middle-earth, and these Dunland enemies look amazing! I can't wait for this expansion which I think will be my favorite so far!

nice preview....looks to be some great new ideas coming in this pack......i know i say this every time, but i was hoping for some player cards though

Yeah, player cards would've been nice... but if it's only Dunland cards it's totally fine for me! lol

What did you think of the art? I always imagined this faction with a very Celtic style (makes sense in the story if the Rohirrim are the Saxons, plus "dun" in gaelic means hill-fort or castle, Dunland then means land of forts) and I like that they kept some of that while also keeping them with an original style.

yes, i like the art depiction also- i cannot remember much from the book about them (its a while since i read TT) byut i think the dunlendings are one of those races where it is pretty clear what they should look like, and i think like this is good.

i wonder if they are portrayed as too 'barabarian' though? has anyone any quick quotes from lotr on their description?

These mechanics sound like they are going to be tough. Negative effects for card draw and number of cards in your hand.

Wow, I am really looking forward to this challenge. Glaurung has been talking about limit to hand size, i think the designers have come up with a good strategy to counteract it. They will punish us for it.

This expansion is really going to alter a lot of people's play style, that's for sure. I know I enjoy collecting huge hands of player cards and saving up for massive planning rounds in which I take complete control of everything. No more with those nasty Dunlendings!

Perhaps a couple of the new player cards in this expansion will provide a way to discard existing cards in your hand for certain bonuses such as increased resources or readying effects. Otherwise, these Dunland enemies will be extremely challenging since we start out with 6 cards right from the get go.

yes, i like the art depiction also- i cannot remember much from the book about them (its a while since i read TT) byut i think the dunlendings are one of those races where it is pretty clear what they should look like, and i think like this is good.

i wonder if they are portrayed as too 'barabarian' though? has anyone any quick quotes from lotr on their description?

They aren't described in detail. The movies certainly portay them too barbarian-like for me, the depiction Iron Crown did of them is personally the best IMO, but this one isn't too bad. It's a nice balance.

I really hope we get an AP that takes place in Dunland!

So, there will have some time counter tokens in the box?

Probably not. My guess is that we will be told to place resource tokens on the quest and each one counts as a time counter.

This sounds really fun and thematic but I wonder how they will address hand size in future expansions? Not all enemies in the future will be from Dunland and to use the same mechanic in other enemy factions would be cheezy. This appears to be a patch fix (albeit a fun and flavorful one) to a problem with game mechanics that will only get worse as more player cards are released over time. I fear a hand limit is inevitable and then this cycle will lose much of its teeth. I will, however, enjoy this cycle greatly as Rohan is one of my favorite factions and Saruman one of my favorite bad guys.

That is an excellent point. I guess I unconsciously made the same assumption when reading the article. This is pretty much a patch solution to the hand size problem, but it's clear the designers know and are aware of the lack of a hand limit in the game, and I think that if they plan on doing a hand limit they would have it in mind when making these scenarios. And I think that while this particular quest will be much easier with a hand limit (and not really that much easier, a 20 attack dunlending is pretty much the same as, say, an 8 attack one, you're going to chump anyway) it's gonna be the decks themselves that will suffer the most.

I wouldn't call this an attempt at a 'fix' in any shape or form since it has no effect on any scenarios without the spoiled cards. It's just a way to make this scenario uniquely challenging while challenging certain deck types (decks with lots of draw). In fact, I would call this a hardcore validation of super big hand sizes, a designer's nod to their existence and apparent declaration that there are no plans in place for any sort of limit. 'cuz as Style75 said, that would potentially neuter this scenario.

These mechanics sound like they are going to be tough. Negative effects for card draw and number of cards in your hand.

Wow, I am really looking forward to this challenge. Glaurung has been talking about limit to hand size, i think the designers have come up with a good strategy to counteract it. They will punish us for it.

Sounds like interesting idea. More cards you have more problem you got. So now all this doom draw players cards doesn looks so great anymore…….you got your threat up and enemies attack you also enemies getting stronger…..

I love the idea to make game more fast and bring more actions with a time counters( yes sure it will be represents by resources tokens on cards) now players will have a more tension trough all the game. this is more then welcome for me.

Hope it will works and we will have amazing box soon!

Sounds like Saruman can prevent time counters triggered. The time counter triggered in the end of refresh phase but Saruman discarded in the end of the round. So if time counter can be on enemies or locations Saruman will prevent it to trigger and can win one more round for you.

Nice preview ... I believe also that the new mechanism will make the game tough, till some new strategies appear. Also it was about time some new enemies emerge

As for the art, i think , if i remember well, that dunlendings where not meant to be as savage as picts, more or less like british celts, which means they some of them might have armour etc, but overall they look nice

Sounds like Saruman can prevent time counters triggered. The time counter triggered in the end of refresh phase but Saruman discarded in the end of the round. So if time counter can be on enemies or locations Saruman will prevent it to trigger and can win one more round for you.

Wow, so Saruman is very useful and critical.

I know I enjoy collecting huge hands of player cards and saving up for massive planning rounds in which I take complete control of everything. No more with those nasty Dunlendings!

Maybe this one gets a second chance for when you really need a specific card but can´t afford the big hand:

Nice preview ... I believe also that the new mechanism will make the game tough, till some new strategies appear. Also it was about time some new enemies emerge

As for the art, i think , if i remember well, that dunlendings where not meant to be as savage as picts, more or less like british celts, which means they some of them might have armour etc, but overall they look nice

Depending on how you define "savage", assuming it's the common meaning, picts were anything but savage.

First thoughts: "discard & play" decks (which try and get stuff into play from the discard pile) will come to the fore. And Vilya decks of course, which also don't rely on cards in hand to set up.

yes, i like the art depiction also- i cannot remember much from the book about them (its a while since i read TT) byut i think the dunlendings are one of those races where it is pretty clear what they should look like, and i think like this is good.

i wonder if they are portrayed as too 'barabarian' though? has anyone any quick quotes from lotr on their description?

They aren't described in detail. The movies certainly portay them too barbarian-like for me, the depiction Iron Crown did of them is personally the best IMO, but this one isn't too bad. It's a nice balance.

I really hope we get an AP that takes place in Dunland!

The raiders look like picts to me.

Nice preview ... I believe also that the new mechanism will make the game tough, till some new strategies appear. Also it was about time some new enemies emerge

As for the art, i think , if i remember well, that dunlendings where not meant to be as savage as picts, more or less like british celts, which means they some of them might have armour etc, but overall they look nice

Depending on how you define "savage", assuming it's the common meaning, picts were anything but savage.

yes , yoy are right ... savage in the eyes of romans is what i should write

I love this pack already. But I'm always sad when there's no player card in the news....

yes, i like the art depiction also- i cannot remember much from the book about them (its a while since i read TT) byut i think the dunlendings are one of those races where it is pretty clear what they should look like, and i think like this is good.

i wonder if they are portrayed as too 'barabarian' though? has anyone any quick quotes from lotr on their description?

They aren't described in detail. The movies certainly portay them too barbarian-like for me, the depiction Iron Crown did of them is personally the best IMO, but this one isn't too bad. It's a nice balance.

I really hope we get an AP that takes place in Dunland!

The raiders look like picts to me.

They do indeed! We can't really know if this is how Tolkien imagined them, but this is probably what he had in mind. The one in the first image is possibly a Dunlending nobleman judging by the clothing, and in Meccg they sometimes just used pictures from history books about celts to depict Dunland.

First thoughts: "discard & play" decks (which try and get stuff into play from the discard pile) will come to the fore. And Vilya decks of course, which also don't rely on cards in hand to set up.

I was thinking decks that revolved around cheap allies, events, and attachments that could be played immediately without building up the player deck size.