Have I got this right, I plan a move and find that my ship flies over an asteroid and finishes clear of the said obstacle, I then roll a red die to test for any damage yes ?.
John B.
Asteroid Collissions
Have I got this right, I plan a move and find that my ship flies over an asteroid and finishes clear of the said obstacle, I then roll a red die to test for any damage yes ?.
John B.
No. Only if the template or the base at the final position lands on it. There is a really good team covenant article covering this topic at
http://teamcovenant.com/buhallin/2013/04/12/all-about-obstacles/
Yes, if you clear it you roll for damage and I believe lose your action. But can still attack - which you cannot, if you land ON the rock.
Have I got this right, I plan a move and find that my ship flies over an asteroid and finishes clear of the said obstacle, I then roll a red die to test for any damage yes ?.
John B.
No. Only if the template or the base at the final position lands on it. There is a really good team covenant article covering this topic at
http://teamcovenant.com/buhallin/2013/04/12/all-about-obstacles/
Well when he says "fly over" I would assume he means that his template crossed the asteroid, but his ship landed clear of it on the other side.
Have I got this right, I plan a move and find that my ship flies over an asteroid and finishes clear of the said obstacle, I then roll a red die to test for any damage yes ?.
John B.
No. Only if the template or the base at the final position lands on it. There is a really good team covenant article covering this topic at
http://teamcovenant.com/buhallin/2013/04/12/all-about-obstacles/
Well when he says "fly over" I would assume he means that his template crossed the asteroid, but his ship landed clear of it on the other side.
I hear you, but most new players assume the ship "flies along" the template and count the ships base in that, I was just trying to be clear that only the template and the final position of the base really matter.
But you weren't clear, since you told him he was fine flying over an asteroid and didn't have to roll damage.
If you can cross the asteroid without your template touching it, fine. But for asteroid purposes, rolling damage and losing an action, the placement of your template matters very much.
Or I guess, more to the point: crossing over an asteroid is one of the very few examples in the game where the location of your template
does
matter. Most of the time, yes, you go from A to B and the template is ignored if you come out clear on the other side. But for things like asteroids and proximity mines, you can't just safely 'teleport' from A to B - you move from A to B and then bad things happen.
sigh... crusade much?
@OP: The article I linked covers this and pretty much every other scenario you can think of in case I was somewhat unclear for you.
Or I guess even
more
to the point - I agree 100% with what you were trying to tell him. It is true that in 9 out of 10 cases in X-Wing you move from A to B and ignore the intervening space. The problem, I felt, was that the specific instance he was asking about (crossing an asteroid) IS that 10th case which is the exception to the rule.
So sort of the right rule at the wrong time.
sigh... crusade much?
@OP: The article I linked covers this and pretty much every other scenario you can think of in case I was somewhat unclear for you.
What does that even mean? No - not since the 12th Century, you? Not professionally, only on weekends?
Like I said: the OP asked if he has to roll damage when crossing an asteroid (presumably, flying over it, with his template down on it). You said no. You sort of clarified that with the bit about only if your template or base land on it, but I think that part was sort of assumed by his question - if his template wasn't crossing the asteroid, or his base didn't land on it, of course he wouldn't have to roll for damage.
He asked "if I fly across an asteroid, but don't land on it, do I still have to roll a red die to determine damage" and you answer was "No," which is in fact the opposite of the correct answer. I was trying to make sure that was clear to him.
Thanks Guys for the quick replies.
John B.
John, that's a good article, but you should also be aware it's also out of date.
The FAQ has been updated to clarify that you cannot boost or barrel roll onto OR across an obstacle such as an asteroid, even if you would successfully clear it.
It used to be, since those are not maneuvers, you could barrel roll straight across an asteroid and as long as you cleared it you were good. The FAQ now clarifies that your maneuver template cannot come into contact with an obstacle if you are boosting or barrel rolling. That's a pretty major clarification - I'll have to tell Buhalin his article needs updating.
Anyone have a link for this FAQ?
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=174&esem=4
That's the support page. It has the link to the FAQ.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/support/faq/X-Wing-FAQ.pdf
Is the FAQ itself.
Also I talked to Buhalin and he has edited the document linked above so that the dated sections are now struck through and updated with corrected text that reflects recent rulings.
He asked "if I fly across an asteroid, but don't land on it, do I still have to roll a red die to determine damage" and you answer was "No," which is in fact the opposite of the correct answer. I was trying to make sure that was clear to him.
You're right CW. The answer Hida gave was in a way compeltely accurate, but at the same time very confusing.
Because he does take damage if the template passes over the token, but won't if the ships base "flys over it" on it's way to the end fo the template.
So the answer Hida gave was at the least missleading because of the No. Remove that and the answer he gave would be much clearer and more accurate.
Concur. And I myself often forget the part about losing your action when this happens, even if you don't take damage from it and land safely clear of it.