Pretty straight forward question. Can upgrade or pilot cards be proxied for sanctioned league or tournament play? Thanks in advance.

Pretty straight forward question. Can upgrade or pilot cards be proxied for sanctioned league or tournament play? Thanks in advance.

Not for any official event. Listed specifically in the tourney rules.

Jim

Sanctioned events require FFG approved equipment. In my tournaments I've allowed player to use custom ship models (Especially modified YT-1300) as long as they use the normal cards. In non sanctioned events I allow acrylic templates after checking them, for movement and tokens,

Wow you insist on hand checking all dozen templates each player might bring to use?
That's more strict than it was at World's a couple weeks back, where they didn't care what templates you used as long as the other guy didn't have an issue with it. I just switched back and forth the whole time; if my opponent had acrylics, I pulled out mine. If he was using cardboard, I used my stock ones instead.

Although it should be noted there's quite a bit of variation between the "official" cardboard ones, too, so the templates in general are not a super exact science.

If both sides are using the same templates then nobody is gaining any advantage. No problem. If I pull out my cardboard ones, and my opponent has acrylic ones that are slightly different, then there's an issue.

Third party acrylic maneuver templates are actually specifically allowed according to the tournament rules (players do have the option to request that one set be used between both players).

Jim

If both sides are using the same templates then nobody is gaining any advantage. No problem. If I pull out my cardboard ones, and my opponent has acrylic ones that are slightly different, then there's an issue.

An argument could be made that your own templates are superior to any of your opponents templates. Reason being: if you are used to judging turns based on your own misshapen templates, and are forced to use a different sized set, your game would be off compared to the person that is using their correct or incorrect templates.

my templates are made out of butter

If both sides are using the same templates then nobody is gaining any advantage. No problem. If I pull out my cardboard ones, and my opponent has acrylic ones that are slightly different, then there's an issue.

This, however, assumes that all acrylic or all cardboard ones are going to be exactly identical, when in fact, you'll be lucky to find two of any kind that are precisely alike. That's why the competitive rules state that you can both, on request, play from the same set of templates, to ensure there is no difference between what you're using.

Personally I think as long as they're close, unless someone was desperate enough to try and create some that gave him some sneaky advantage, it's not a big deal. It winds up not mattering a whole lot if it's exact when the odds are you're going to bump the mini at some point and have to put it back where you think it was anyway.

In fact one of the acrylic template makers mentioned online that they had measured half a dozen cardboard sets of templates straight out of the starter boxes, to ensure their measurements were exact...and then were shocked to figure out just how much difference there is in length or curve between the official templates. Cutting cardboard in a bunch of factories just isn't a super exact science.

Putting all template variances aside, in the friendly games our group plays, only one set of templates is used - therefore nobody has any kind of advantage.

In the friendly games I play, everyone uses whatever templates they have and doesn't worry about advantages, real or imagined.

In the friendly games I play, everyone uses whatever templates they have and doesn't worry about advantages, real or imagined.

Pretty much this, since the variations due to bumping the models and improper alignment during use are going to be a lot greater than those caused by template variation.

I just tend to figure if FFG is not going to sweat what people are using at the World Championships, barring someone lodging a complaint, it seems silly to me to worry too much about anyone else's templates. One of the guys who makes the acrylic ones said when he took his base measurements off about half a dozen of the official starter set cardboard ones, he was amazed how much variation there was between them.

So sharing a set is certainly fine, if a bit inconvenient, but beyond that I tend to figure that even if everything WAS perfect, someone is going to roll a die into a mini, knock it over with the range ruler, bump one while doing a move, kick the table, you name it, so there's not much point in obsessing over whether everything is exact to a thousandth of a degree.

I recall reading that while the 3rd-party templates are legal if someone wants to complain a match could be run with both sides using the SAME templates. When I say the same I mean the same set so handing them back and forth.

I believe that is absolutely correct. One player can request that a single set be shared.

I don't want my templates being touched by filthy fingers of foreign players! GTFO

I'm not a foreign player, but we will play some day. We will share templates. And you won't know who I am, but know this: I will not have washed my hands.

I'm not a foreign player, but we will play some day. We will share templates. And you won't know who I am, but know this: I will not have washed my hands.

How dare you, sir? How dare you?

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Well there is only one solution to this mess: we have to be friends

I'm not a foreign player, but we will play some day. We will share templates. And you won't know who I am, but know this: I will not have washed my hands.

How dare you, sir? How dare you?

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Well there is only one solution to this mess: we have to be friends

**** it. You may be right.

I don't want my templates being touched by filthy fingers of foreign players! GTFO

Then you could use his.

Then you could use his.

I should touch the templates of a foreign player soaked with dirt, viruses and bakteria??? Never ever!

Maybe if I do not wash my hands for a week or so, my hands grew a natural barrier of dirt, viruses and bakeria which could counter my opponent's. In this case it would be possible propbably.